Ok, if Roche is posting his pic, I feel obligated to post mine. It only makes sense, if you are going to go primal, then you must go into it with your shirt off (and I will be barefoot). Is the key to make myself look as poor and miserable as possible. Somehow, this is all so familiar. Didn't we do this like 4 times before?
Any other takers? Bunky?? At least a before pic???
End of day three... just had a little naan bread with my tasty Indian chicken (no rice). Peanuts and water for breakfast, eggs and peppers for dinner. Plus, the leftover chicken salad from last night. Hear me roar bitches!
BTW, this is me clocking in at about 230lbs. In 1 month I want to be down to 215lbs. I know this won't be easy but after today I'm going to cut back on my intake and try going more primal with it. I'm also going to do cardio 6 times a week instead of 2 or 3 times. Bone said I should try changing up my cardio between long workouts and short more intense workouts. I gotta try because I'm full sick of looking at this.
Yeah the lighting in my pic sucked but I couldn't get it right. But I'm really excited about this challenge. A month is easy to do - at least for me. Following that, my schedule in Jacksonville will be super chill for the next few 4 months allowing me more time to workout. I really feel that the hours and stress of the past year and a half have made it hard for me to be consistant in diet and exercise.
Yeah the lighting in my pic sucked but I couldn't get it right. But I'm really excited about this challenge. A month is easy to do - at least for me. Following that, my schedule in Jacksonville will be super chill for the next few 4 months allowing me more time to workout. I really feel that the hours and stress of the past year and a half have made it hard for me to be consistant in diet and exercise.
Maybe not that easy since we both fucked up right on the first day with too much food and beer. I felt a little turdy that right from the get go I had too much beer but felt better when Bone called to admit he too overindulged in beer as well. Anyway, I'm back at it so we'll see what I can do in a month.
You can't let the little (or big) slips stop you. They are going to happen. You will just have to jump back on the primal warpath. I've had beer as well (Max 2 in one day). But, that has been near the daily norm for me. I am much more positive in not eating any bread, rice, pop, or potatos. Everything has been non-processed (save beer). So the stuff I've cut out will still give me benefits. Still, beer is not a killer at 13-15 grams of carbs per 12 oz. Some alcohol is 0 carbs - whiskey, gin, vodka, and tequilla.
Having a binge now and then is OK. You got to look at the long term prospects of your actions. Out of 30 days, if you messed up once or twice, you are still doing great. Those two days will not wreck the other 28. You will just have slightly worse results.
Its certainly tough trying to change old habits. A slow change, or just focusing on cutting out one or two things at a time, might give you the confidence and strength to continue to make healthier changes later.
My pic is taken... I am full turdy and embarassed about it. I'll post it in a minute for motivation.
Here is a couple of recommendations when the Sumo Tube:
1. Do not dive off the platform in the Sumo Tube. You automatically roll onto your back and it is difficult to roll over and assume the starting position.
2. Wear gloves when holding the handle, or you will jack your palms up.
3. Pull your legs into the tube when attempting to barrel roll and don't lean foward too much or your head will go under water.
4. Wear a rashguard otherwise the tube will rub under your arms.
Flattering! (or should I say fattering?) I think they should have called it the Sumo-Mumu. I've got special plans for this picture. I've been working on a Space-Invaders for Jackassery (Ass-Invaders). And the new Bunky picture is going to feature prominently.
My pic is taken... I am full turdy and embarassed about it. I'll post it in a minute for motivation.
Dude, you're only 190lbs., that's not that turdy, I've got 40lbs. on you. Plus you're 2 inches taller than me which only compounds that fact that I outweight you by 40lbs. I think we may need to swap monikers.
Really Spider? Bells and Fatty look like pedophiles with the disheveled hair look and I get to be a special feature in your Ass-Invaders?
That tube is freakin' huge. I am 5' 5'', and get swallowed in that thing when I am getting towed behind the boat in it. It is hard to get a good grip on the handle and balance yourself while moving because of the width.
I did get a little nervous in the water waiting for the boat to swing the line around to me because it is hard to see that I am in the tube when floating.
Nothing personal Bells, I know you are a barely legal guy. My point to Robot was my photo seems to get singled out each time regardless of other photos. And Zilla wonders why I won't post pics.
That's why I do an encrypted SSH tunnel at work to my home box and use my home Linux machine's http proxy. All my corporate RobotSpider-like Big Brothers know is that I have a lot of traffic to some 71.57.xxx.xxx address, but I could be surfing porn (and Jackassery does blur that line at times) and they'd be none the wiser.
I just read on Yahoo about the "Flat Belly Diet". It pretty much is touting the benefits of good fats - MonoUnsaturated Fatty Acid (MUFA). The core of this diet is eating lots of Almonds, Olive Oils, Chocolate, Avacados, and Olives. It is pretty much the same stuff as the Primal gurus are talking, but with less emphasis on cutting out grains.
So far I am liking the Primal Blueprint eating style. Can't say that I am perfect, but I certainly cut out pop, coffee, breads, pastas, rice, and processed foods. The exercise program got bumped up a bit from the daily walk. Now there is the 100 push-up challenge (thanks to Ross) and Tony's suggestion of body weight squats and crunches on off push-up days.
The challange I (and Johnny) face is how long to stick with it. The longest I've gone is about 3-4 months on a good diet and exercise program. My big goal is not necessary lose weight, but to lose this big old gut flopping around. I miss a nice and trim waist. Hopefully I can keep it up until October so you can see a Slim-Fatty again!
Now, I got to stop procrastinating and get to the squats and crunches before I go to bed!
Has anyone else noticed an increase in Monkey T's visit to the site since half naked men started appearing more frequently?
Monkey, you need to do some JA research and look up Crank Gawker. Could the T possibly stand for Tony? Hmmm....
I wonder if he keeps a jar of Skippy nearby when he is playing Halo with Zilla? I think the cackle makes Monkey hernie.....
Bells, is it possible that he has been seduced by the dickside?
Bunky said: Has anyone else noticed an increase in Monkey T's visit to the site since half naked men started appearing more frequently? Monkey, you need to do some JA research and look up Crank Gawker. Could the T possibly stand for Tony? Hmmm....
Actually Bunky I have been visiting this site the same for the last month or so, but ever since this thread has been up, your visits have declined. Maybe you would prefer some pictures of flapping bat whistles. You should be the one to talk with your jar of skippy and your "special" pet dog. We all know what goes on late at night in the Leroy household after the chitlens are asleep.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - That video is from one of Jack and my "sessions". I was unemployed and Jack and I were up until 2-4 AM every night working on some projects. Most of them XBox related. We had my Shakira photo photo in that time frame to.
Why can't I have Monkey T's email? Can't a ninja get a brother's email these days?
Do you want me to show you? That sounds like a proposition Tony.
Monkey, my dog died a few months ago. He had a stroke and I had to put him down. Thanks for reminding me. Did I mention I had him for 12 years?
Patrick and I will still love you even if you are defensive about being a Crank Gawker. Fatty might even ask for your email address.
FUCK MICROSOFT and their shitty XBOX 360
That is my public service announcement for the day
Bunky please.....
You know I would be the last one to disrespect a deceased pet. I was actually talking about one of the parents dogs that roam your back 40. Anyone can have my email if they want it, just don't send me things that will make me too herny. Oh, my XBox is still going strong, and I got it from Bunky.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - That video is from one of Jack and my "sessions". I was unemployed and Jack and I were up until 2-4 AM every night working on some projects. Most of them XBox related. We had my Shakira photo photo in that time frame to.
Definately a "Fatty Classic." When I have time I'll add the funky "Sanford & Son" theme to the background and re-upload it. Someday we'll do the "Bill Williams Show" and "Booty Quake."
Monkey, I wasn't seriously mad about the pet comment. Seriously pissed about the XBOX 360 ring, yes!
I am however, thinking about getting another dog because I miss not having one.
Fatty will only send you things that make you hernie. I think that's why we don't email each other....
That and she was tired on all the pics of a naked Fatty eating a cheeseburger.
Sorry Jack, the Flat Belly Diet involves dark chocolate... if you are looking for the diet showcasing Snicker Bars, try the Fat Belly Diet. I have been on that one for years. I love it! The core of the Fat Belly Diet is Cheeseburgers, Snicker Bars, Pop, Munchoes, and deep fried everything.
Say Bert... I am betting if you complete the 100 push-up challenge, you will be getting a big chunk of change. That thing is a bit more difficult than it looks. I'm thinking you will have a bunch of Yahoos drop out. Keep us posted!
Say Bert... I am betting if you complete the 100 push-up challenge, you will be getting a big chunk of change. That thing is a bit more difficult than it looks. I'm thinking you will have a bunch of Yahoos drop out. Keep us posted!
I have to tell you, I don't know if anyone is going to claim the money... week 3 is ridiculously more difficult than week 2... kicked my ass. So we'll see...
What's the rabbit doing in your pants? Nibbling on the baby carrrot?.
Ah Bone, I guess you missed the brain train so I shall explain, see the rabbit is a euphemism for PENIS. If you don't know what a euphemism is (or a penis), ask Bunky she knows. Hopefully you get it now.
Oh I see. I'm sorry, I was cornfused. Normally when I use a euphamism for PENIS (does this really need caps?), I use something less meek than a rabbit. Sometimes I forget that we aren't all packin.
For something a little more inspirational - if this doesn't motivate you to get out there and get healthy so you can spend quality time with your kids, you suck at life:
I think there's something afoul on JA. The embedded video worked shortly after I posted it and now it's a white box. (More Penn and Teller magic?) I noticed the video bunky posted from fail was a white box too. Not that I mind Bunky's white box.
Sure. This is a post mod piece by Kandinsky. I think it was titled White Box on Canvas. It's supposed to illustrate the absurdity of art and bring the over-asked question, What is Art?
Yeah, there is the process fornication happenings here on JA. I had the same issue with my post.
Maybe we should chew the ass of the system adminstrator!
Wow. That was amazing. Will we be able to see you in shorts like that Bone? I struggle calling that after seeing the photo you claim is your physique. It feels a little dirty now.
One of my three brothers has mild cerebal palsy from a labor/delivery issue. He can't drive a car because of he lacks the coordination. He has let it set any limits for him either. He has a master's degree and lives completely independent. Fortnately his case isn't as severe.
Most of the Crossfitters are either Zone eatera or Paleo. I dont think the Zone is that bad but I can't be bothered with measuring out blocks and what not. I find the Paleo diet far easier to follow in it's simplicity. I will say though, between upping my physical work output and cutting out grains, I'm f'n run down. Oh, lets not forget 22 yr old hottie that kept me up all night.
That funny. I asked Bone about what Mark's deal was with the Zone, because they seemed pretty similar. IMO, Mark draws a lot of conclusions from studies which may not be accurate. His Zone criticisms are valid, and I never thought of these aspects of the Zone before.
Bone, you gots to up your Fat then! You know that is now your fuel. I am lucky that I have loads of in on long term storage. No problems with lethargy here.... quite the opposite. Even though I am back to not getting a lot of sleep, during the day I feel better than ever. No energy drops in the afternoon, no going hungry, and no carb cravings. The Bone is right, it is a simple diet to follow. One week in and I have dropped about 2 pounds and I can see the belly looking slightly smaller.
Plus, the PB seems to be attracting Chimay to me.... 4 more bottles made their way into my life last night. Melinda's dad came back from France with them. Ever since I started, Chimay has been making its way to me. Good times!
Here are a couple of my favorite crossfit workouts. I lke these because they are relativley short in duration but fairly effective at working different cardio energy systems as well as muscle gain.
1. 5 supersets of bench press/pull ups. For the weight - use your body weight. Example - I'm using 225lbs. Do as many of each as you can. Rest as long as you need to within reason.
2. Cindy - In 20 mins, attempt to do as many supersets as you can of 5 pull ups, 10 push ups, and 15 squats. This workout is an ass kicker both cardio wise and muscular endurance wise. I can only do 14 supersets but when you think about it, that's 70 pullups, 140 push ups, and 210 squats.
3. Fran - Superset of thrusters and pull ups. 21 reps, 15 reps, and finally 9 reps. Use 95 lb barbell for the thrusters. This is one of my favorit workouts to start out with if I have been sedentary for any length of time because it engages a lot of muscles in one workout and has a cardio componant.
4. Grace - 135 lbs clean and jerk x 30. This is a fast workout but builds explosive power.
5. Nancy - 5 supersets of 400 meter sprint followed by 15 reps of 95 lbs overhead squats. I usually sprint on the treadmill because of logistics. Throw a 1 degree incline and get up near 10 mph and you are in there. This one will work you ass and you'll cry like a bitch.
6. Row 1000 meters, 21 reps of 85 lbs thrusters, 15 pullups, rest 2 mins, row 750 meters, 18 thrusters, 12 pullups, rest 2 mins, row 500 meters, 15 thrusters, 9 pullups. You can subsitute running if you don't have a rowing ergometer.
7. Helen - 3 supersets of 400 meter sprints, 21 reps of 55lbs kettlebell (or dumbell) swings, and 12 pull ups. I fucking love the dumbell swings. Ireally works the shit out of my whole body and feels really manly.
8. - Micheal - 3 supersets of 800 meter sprints, 50 back extensions, 50 sit ups.
he obviously doesn't spend every waking hour on XBL or on JA. Not rocket science Bunky, the rest of us r just into more less active hobbies (XBOX couch people).
Hey Fucker, most of my JA is done via Blackberry while I am waiting on a doc for work or sitting in a meeting.
As for my XBOX, I travel with it for work since running around cities by myself is not terribly exciting, or if I am home, it's midnight EST when you are all on. It's not like I am on everyday at 2 pm until midnight!
I do work full time and have pretty active kids! Shouldn't you be googling cranks right now?
Someone sounds like there getting a little grumpy. All I am saying (i'm guilty of it as well), is that if we added up our time on XBL, we would have quite a few hours. Then in return used half those hours for working out or playing some outside sport we would all probably be in a little better shape.
Sooooo........ I know the California air is pretty bad at times but try to breath and relax.
And what is with all the language Bunky? Your always F this ,F that, F you.
XBOX has added to my potty mouth. If you recall, when we first started playing, you rarely heard me cuss.
Yeah, if you added up the hours we have spent playing, I would probably have a heartattack!
Our air out here does suck! In fact, when I went for a surgery consult Wednesday because of sinus issues, my surgeon told me I needed to move.
Roche, are you going to get one of these to keep your goatee perfectly trimmed? Excuse me for saying so, but you are looking a bit shaggier than you have in the past.
Bunky: Good luck with the sinus surgery... I had a deviated septum fixed a few years ago, and it's no fun. Quite painful, actually. Sat on the couch, doped up for a week, string of drool hanging off my chin, dizzy as hell. They don't pack your nose anymore, either - they put splints in there, which just sounds heinous.
It's funny how many people I know are having sinus issues. The last two years, I've had chronic sinus infections, and my docs blame it on allergies (dust, pollen, my three cats...). Been going in for allergy shots for more than a year now, with little improvement. I keep running into people I know at the allergist. It all has me wondering if it's the environment we live in that's F-ing us in the A - or if evolution would have killed us off by now, if it wasn't for modern medicine...
Thanks Swerb. I am not looking forward to it. I have heard it is painful and the nurse told me not to plan on sleeping for a week.
I asked the surgeon about splints. He still prefers to use the packing over splints for healing.
My surgeon told me I need to move. I live in the worst air quality in the nation.
I have been putting it off for a while. Typically, when I go to Hawaii ever year, I can breathe well and get my sense of smell back after a few days. That did not happen this time, so I figured I should suck it up and get it done.
In addition to the my repairing my deviated septum, I also have to have a resection done on the turbinates. Fun.
It is funny you mention sinus infections. I have had several as well the last few years. My allergy meds don't do anything but keep me awake now, and I am having issues with asthma that I have not had since I was a kid.
Can you breathe better now?
Have you two tried the Neti pots? It is a simple concept - nasal flushing. I do it from time to time because I too live in a large and filthy city. I can see the dirt in my snot when I blow. Anyway, it is easy to do and I always feel better after I do it. Certainly because my sinuses are clean and breathing is easy.
If you have allergies, it will flush out all that pollen and dander sitting in your sinuses. You should at least give it a shot. Pots are cheap, under $10. Many people claim they get relief from their problems. I just like the clean feeling afterwards.... like after you get out of the pool and your nose is all cleared out.
I do the sinus rinse every day, sometimes twice a day, as suggested by my allergist. And I do it after I clean the house and do yard work or something. Gives me relief for a while, but doesn't prevent me from getting up every morning from my dust-free, cat-free, anti-allergen-covered pillows and mattress, air-purifier, etc. bedroom every day and hocking up a bunch of gunk. I don't know what it is. Maybe I have mold in my house. My allergist only did a skin allergy test, and didn't really even look to see if my plumbing is functioning properly... so maybe my sinuses are still f-ed.
The reason I had my surgery was to fix my nose after it was mashed (not really broken) in an accident (long story... one asshole's boot met my face... voila! Deviated septum). Prior to getting it fixed, I wasn't getting enough oxygen - I'd play racquetball and get really dizzy because one nostril was probably 75% closed off. The surgery helped quite a bit, but I'm just now wondering if I'm suffering from long-term effects.
I not really sure how I messed up my septum. My guess would probably be from soccer, but I do recall getting hit in the face with a Volleyball during a tournament in college and my nose bleeding. Who knows.
I have tried the nose sprays and they make me crazy. My sinuses are almost always swollen now because they can't drain properly and I get headaches from it. I am hoping this helps.
The reason I had my surgery was to fix my nose after it was mashed (not really broken) in an accident (long story... one asshole's boot met my face... voila! Deviated septum). Prior to getting it fixed, I wasn't getting enough oxygen - I'd play racquetball and get really dizzy because one nostril was probably 75% closed off. The surgery helped quite a bit, but I'm just now wondering if I'm suffering from long-term effects.
Between catching the boot with your face, and the subsequent surgery, it wouldn't surprise me if you've developed scar tissue. The amount of scar tissue is more a result of how your body reacts to the damage as opposed to the quality of the surgery. IOW, the surgery may have been perfect, but in that time you've developed more scar tissue than 'normal'.
I'm not a doctor, but I play one any chance I get.
Bunky said: How did you get a boot in your face, Swerb?
Well, Swerb, for months now, Bunky has been going on and on about how you have 'baby-smooth skin', etc. etc. The secret is out. You might as well come clean.
Before bed each night, John applies just a touch a lavendar-citrus exfoliating mask, followed by a size 14 Doc Martin.
Spider: Good point. I guess I never mentioned The Incident to my allergist - I will at my next appointment. My dermatologist, however, has very little to do in the wake of said events.
Bunky: Not wanting to re-live the physical/psychological pain of The Incident, I will say that I can no longer attend punk rock concerts in Detroit for fear of sadistic, boot-wearing asshats sending me to the ER...
What band was playing? I am guessing they were steel toe boots then...
Really, Bunky? You think getting kicked in the face with 'regular' old non-steel-reinforced boots wouldn't send you to the E.R? I've never been kicked in the face and, Jebus willing, never will, but I'm pretty sure my face couldn't tell the difference between leather/rubber and leather/rubber/steel.
I jumped on that grenade; luckily it was only an incendiary grenade, not a fragmentation grenade. Whew, I sure lucked out there! Well, time to empty my colostomy bag, can you wheel me into the bathroom?
Not to speak for Swerb, that's just my impression... ooh, sorry, I probably shouldn't say 'impression'...
I am not sure about the East Coast, but out here (atleast in my younger years), assholes would buy the steel toe Docs just for stupid shit like that.
So does that mean you don't know what concert it was?
I hate punk rock concerts just for that reason. A bunch of F-bags go to them. I saw Social Distortion and Bad Religion in High School before they really sucked and dumb asses were ripping seats out of the venue and there were fights everywhere. It reminded me of my first Raider's/Bronco's football game at the Coliseum in LA.
I have seen TOOL 3 times and never had shit like that happen.
I've never seen a TOOL show. I have, however, seen lots of tools at other rock shows. KISS comes to mind. Lots of tools there. And some of them were in the audience.
Holy shit this has gotten off topic! Well, i just wanted to say I've been going primal for a little over a week with outstanding results. I'm down 8 pound, Zilla as my witness plus an inch and a half off the gut. I've been working hard in the gym and sticking with the primal. Dropping 8 pounds put me at a pound less than Zilla. This is the first time since Zilla and I have been working out that he has been heavier than me. I feel great and must say this is the easiest diet I've ever tried. I want to be under 220lbs. by Saturday and I'm confident I will be.
On another note I just wanted to mention that Zilla hit 210lbs. on the bench today for 3 reps, not bad. He's going for man strength and he's almost there. He is quite a bit stronger than when he started and has been working hard. Can you do this Fatty, I've seen you a little stronger than this, but are you now? Get to work Fatty before Zilla is stronger than you've ever been.
Robot, Swerb must get you to a TOOL concert! Friends don't let friends NOT see TOOL live.
My husband and I have even brought the nephews to their first TOOL show (once they hit 16 ofcourse).
That is pretty F'n amazing Bells. 8 pounds in a week!! Great job. With those results it will be easy to stay motivated. My program results are not nearly as stellar, but I am very pleased. I am down about 4 pounds in two weeks. Belly is improving (no measurements nor adjustment on my belt yet). The diet is great because it is so easy. I only 'cheated' one meal when a Cheeseburger and fries was to be had at my favorite burger shack. Plus, my alcohol intake is 1-3 drinks a day (what can I say.. I have to be social.... Ok 5 last night was pushing things). But even with the alcohol, the results of cutting bread and shit out speak for themselves.
Exercise is moderate still. Going with the 100 push-up program week 2 and on off days doing a BW squat/ crunch rotation. I still call BULLSHIT on the push-up program. I have yet to read from some dude that actually completed the program. Most of the links are for webads and the few people posting are on week 1-3. The progression of the program is WAY too fast. I doubt anyone gets past week 3. Fatty is giving it his shot. Ross, what about you? You calling BS on the push-up program yet?
Yes, the pushup program is BS and everyone at work agrees. We're flailing around on weeks 3 and 4. I am not giving up, but I'm being realistic about the likelihood of hitting 100 pushups in a measily 6 weeks.
I became suspicious of the program when on week three, your reps jumps up 50%. Plus you are working near your max effort and are supposed to maintain nearly this with 60 seconds rest.
Most people must get frustrated or lose interest... but it simply is not designed for the average schmoe... as they make it seem. It kind of pisses me off. They raise people's expectations only to have 99% (If not 100%) fail and feel bad about themselves.
Johnny... at some point I will NOT be drinking on a daily basis. These last few weeks it just was not in the cards. I don't see a break until next week Thursday! It may be retarding my weight loss. At this pace, it is still coming off so I accept the trade off. The workout intensity will increase with time anyway, so this should keep the fat coming off.
It is interesting not experiencing too much in ways of cravings. The last 2 days I was feeling like a Coke pretty bad. I thought craving bread would be the worst. I had that with the Fatkins. Its only been 2 weeks, so plenty of time for the carb cravings to kick in. I keep telling myself, once you start in on bread, you will just crave it more. It is also amazing what cravings some cashews and some water stop.
I've lost 2 solid lbs since in a week which is about right for me. Plus 2 people have told me I look like I'm getting leaner without knowing I've been on the program. I've been following the Primal Blueprint at least 90 % between the eating, resting, working out, walking, and other activities. I've some alchohol here and there but really trying to minimize it.
I can't see how the 100 pushup challenge can be that hard. Let's say your are a monumental pussy and could only do 6-10 pushups. By week 3 you are only doing sets of 14 - 25 pushups. After a couple of weeks your body will thank you for getting back to manly endevours that it desperatly craves an will reward you with getting back to a reasonable level of pushup ability. Fuck, it says rest 60 seconds or longer if required.
If you can't do 100 pushups after 6 weeks on this program, go home and ask your parents to throw you off the cliff like they should have done when you were a baby.
If you can't do 100 pushups after 6 weeks on this program, go home and ask your parents to throw you off the cliff like they should have done when you were a baby.
The pushay twins need to get to work, 100 pushups after 6 weeks should be no problem. I'm busting ass losing weight and gaining strength at the same time. For the hell of it I might bust out some pussyups and do 100 in a couple of weeks.
Ain't no thang bitches.... no one here is busting out 100 pushups now so all I am hearing is hot air.
Bone put up or shut up. You may be fairly close to 100 push ups, so if you want a real MAN challenge to compete.... do your max push-ups then increase them by 80 in six weeks. That is what I am attempting.
Wait for it.... Bone's witty retort.....
But that is all he will bring cuz he certainly will have some sort of excuse for not even attempting, and he certainly won't be adding 80 push-ups to his max. There is room on the Puss-ay couch for you!
For the hell of it I might bust out some pussyups and do 100 in a couple of weeks.
Bring it Johnny-come-Fatly :) A few weeks huh??? I'll give you six. What will be your excuse.... I am too busy weight training?? Fuck, the work-out takes 10 minutes... do it at night. Doing some push-ups won't hurt you..... unless you are a puss-ay.
The pushay twins need to get to work, 100 pushups after 6 weeks should be no problem. I'm busting ass losing weight and gaining strength at the same time. For the hell of it I might bust out some pussyups and do 100 in a couple of weeks.
I really don't think you want to start taunting me, my friend. I say it's legitimately bullshit if you're nowhere near 100 to begin with. I think you should just take my word for it instead of trying to provoke a verbal smackdown.
Bone put up or shut up. You may be fairly close to 100 push ups, so if you want a real MAN challenge to compete.... do your max push-ups then increase them by 80 in six weeks. That is what I am attempting.
Wait for it.... Bone's witty retort.....
Here it comes. You are saying that 20 push ups is your max? As ludicrous as that is, it's only because you've been sedentary for a while. To increase your max by 80 in six weeks is a little bit different than for me to do it because I already have considerable conditioning and I'll plateau way before you will. You are right, all I have to blow at this point is hot air because to increase my max by 80 would require me to follow the program at the exclusion of a number of things I already do. I can crank out 90 right now with some effort but I can also bench 270lbs. To say that I could drop everything and knock out 170 pushups in 6 weeks would be pointless because I don't intend to do it.
I do however applaud your efforts along with Bert. Keep up the 100 push up challenge because I think you can do it. If not in 6 weeks, maybe in a couple more. This way you will have a good base to improve other areas.
Bert, I'm not afraid of your verbal smackdown, I don't think it will leave any visable marks. As for the push-ups, I am way closer to a 100 than you Fats! I've always been better at push-ups than you and I guarantee I'm still better, I have more upper body strength my friend. When you come in October Fatty you and I are going to have a push-up contest to see who can do the most. Bert you can join in too and we'll see who gets the smackdown.
Now I'm going to hit the gym for some manly endeavors.
Well, for your sake (and in a true show of manliness) I will refrain from humiliating you. But suffice it to say that I believe that only simpletons regard feats of physical strength to be the primary indicator of one's "manliness."
I also regard those who quote the dictionary to be using weak form, but let's forget about that for the moment.
I primarily take exception to your intimations that I am somehow a pussy if I can't complete the 100 pushup challenge in 6 weeks. I caution you to check yourself before you start throwing those kinds of accusations around and think hard about if you want to call me a pussy.
I also regard those who quote the dictionary to be using weak form, but let's forget about that for the moment.
I primarily take exception to your intimations that I am somehow a pussy if I can't complete the 100 pushup challenge in 6 weeks. I caution you to check yourself before you start throwing those kinds of accusations around and think hard about if you want to call me a pussy.
I thought it was obvious I was being facetious with the pussy remarks. Truth be told this is not what I believe in respect to you and I thought you already knew that. I wanted to awake the sleeping giant, mission accomplished. Although you do realize this just sucked the humor out of it.
Thanks Bells! I have mentioned to Zilla that Ross has been lacking in the rant department a few times recently.
I appreciate you bring him back. I was afraid his research into Scientology may have led him into joining a cult and forced him to cut off communication with his non-scientology friends. I am glad to see everything is normal in Bertland.
Wow - Way to go, Bone and Bells. You both started with a sweet, harsh style and then went full kiss-up. I feel like taking Fats' chicken sandwich and swattin' you both off the cliff!
Wow - Way to go, Bone and Bells. You both started with a sweet, harsh style and then went full kiss-up. I feel like taking Fats' chicken sandwich and swattin' you both off the cliff!
I'm afraid Bert brings out the bitch in us. I could've kept poking fun at Bert, but to what end? For a minute I thought he might drive to GR so he could get his ass whupped! And just to clarify, I'm being facetious.
Wow - Way to go, Bone and Bells. You both started with a sweet,
harsh style and then went full kiss-up. I feel like taking Fats'
chicken sandwich and swattin' you both off the cliff!
Well I was just being an acehurl as is my usual custom but the dialogue
between Bells and Bert is different and I'm staying out of that one
other than my one observation.
I think it stems from back in the Godwin days when Bells had
Bert's respect out of fear of physical reprisals. Now that we are
adults, it seems like Bert is using his intellect in much the same way
that Bells did. There's some sort of deep seated animosity there. It's
the same old song and dance between these two - Bells and his threats
of physical superiority and Bert and his assertion of intellectual
superiority.
However, I must say the below was hilarious and well played.
John said:
Bert, only simpletons don't know the meaning of manliness:
1: having qualities generally associated with a man :strong, virile
2: appropriate in character to a man <manly sports>
You may have a point Bone. Bert's threat of a verbal smackdown seemed a bit pompous so I responded in kind. Glad you liked it, Bone, however I meant no real animosity towards Bert, or did I, hmm.......
In my defense, though Bells and most likely Bone found the likening of Fatty and I to pussies to be merely funny, I don't know how one could imagine that I would find it so. I can get shitty right along with the very best of them and I really didn't want to go there but if I'm pushed, I will do it.
Bone, of course what you say does have more than a bit of truth. Bells was bully at times even though we were friends and even though I know he probably regrets it now, some part of me can't fully let it go. That said, when the threats of physical superiority come out (a sign that he can't fully let it go either), I don't see much wrong with battling back however I can.
Finally, I'm glad that while Zilla can't tell the difference between "kissing up" and "not being an asshole" (even if it's in jest), the rest of us can.
At the risk of sounding like a pussy, I agree with you, Bert. I do sometimes resort to the physical superiority card and admit at times I feel an overall lack of respect from you. I'm sure to a degree my own insecurities play into this. As far as the pussy thing goes there was no true malice and as for my other remarks today I was jackassing around. You gotta admit though, my simpleton retort was pretty sweet. Ouch, I just broke my arm patting my own back.....
When you said I need to caution myself before throwing around such accusations the Bone was tempted to say, who are you, Leonitas and you're going to kick him into the abyss but alas, maybe there have been too many 300 references of late. I cracked up anyway.
Well, rhetorically speaking, I have been known to knock a motherfucker down a hole once or twice...
And hey, you definitely get my respect for your physical prowess - but I think there's a mismatch between us with respect to just how much respect we think that should earn you. As children, it earned you a lot more, a) because you had a much worse temper, and b) as adults, beating people up (not to mention your friends) is an incredibly stupid thing to do.
Anyway, I hate to sound overly-contrary but I wasn't joking or avoiding the point when I said that quoting the dictionary is actually considered a weak form of argumentation. Mainly because people often mistake the role of what a dictionary is for: it's not to define terms, but to reflect their current usage - meaning it's not static, and by no means complete. In any case, I think #2 leaves a lot of room for interpretation anyway, and is well within bounds of what I was talking about. So no, sorry, I guess I don't think it was sweet as you do - even though I could play your game and find a definition that is more in my favor - but then we sound a bit like fundamentalist preachers quoting the Bible, don't we?
—Synonyms ... Manly is usually a term of approval, suggesting traits admired by society, such as determination, decisiveness, and steadiness: a manly acceptance of the facts; manly firmness of character.
Anyway, I hate to sound overly-contrary but I wasn't joking or avoiding the point when I said that quoting the dictionary is actually considered a weak form of argumentation. Mainly because people often mistake the role of what a dictionary is for: it's not to define terms, but to reflect their current usage - meaning it's not static, and by no means complete. In any case, I think #2 leaves a lot of room for interpretation anyway, and is well within bounds of what I was talking about. So no, sorry, I guess I don't think it was sweet as you do - even though I could play your game and find a definition that is more in my favor - but then we sound a bit like fundamentalist preachers quoting the Bible, don't we?
—Synonyms ... Manly is usually a term of approval, suggesting traits admired by society, such as determination, decisiveness, and steadiness: a manly acceptance of the facts; manly firmness of character.
Aww hell, Bert! I was just saying it was some funny ass shit to do, not that it was worthy of the debate team, you sure know how to suck the funny out of the room. I guess I was right about the more supercilious remarks thing.
It's our duty as Jackasses to have fun at each others expense. In all fairness I've been known to suck the fun out when it's been at my expense. With that said duty calls, it appears when you're being made fun of you turn into a bit of a pussy.
Looks like I missed the batter-flinging... So, as posted eariler... The Fatty's are coming to the US in mid-October for 2 weeks. That gives us all further incentive to keep with the programs (or start one NickNick) else face smug ridicule from slimmer JA-sarians.
Rolling into week three.... Still doing well on the PB diet. Some friends stayed with us for a week, yet I still did fairly well eating. My only real 'cheats' were: I had some potatoes with two meals, once I had 1/4 of a pita with a salad. Thats it.... well, drinking increased even more. Drinking should get curtailed soon, save the wine tasting this weekend. We did eat out a few times so the meals were much larger than normal. This would slow things down some, even if the meals were PB material.
I start the 3 week of pushups. Last workout I started out with 16 reps and did descending sets. This was challenging for me. Two days later I am supposed to start off at 25. WTF!!! How am I supposed to magically jump up 10 reps??? It is just like those real estate infomercials..... Ok - you have no job and no money - you buy a house.... you use the equity in the house to buy two more houses.... WAIT!!! You are missing some VERY important information. How do you buy that first house? Oh, send you $300....
SO... its ON! Lets see who is chunky and who is hunky in October.
AND no Johnny... feats of 'Maniless' will not count. We are going to see who has slimmed down the best. We are each going about it differently. I am not even touching weights yet and may not until after the trip.
I start the 3 week of pushups. Last workout I started out with 16 reps and did descending sets. This was challenging for me. Two days later I am supposed to start off at 25. WTF!!! How am I supposed to magically jump up 10 reps???
You are seriously doing 16 push ups after 3 weeks? I can't even stand it. Have you somehow become a quadriplegic and I missed it? I can't think of any other explanation. So anyways, you increase to 25 reps by manning up and cranking them out. If you need to rest a second or two between reps then so be it. If your muscles are screaming in agony, it's called being a man and is fully normal. It's alright to puke sometimes. Giddyup cowboy.
I'm going to be called "Johnny come fatly" by you Fatty, the push-up pussy. Dude, I was drunk at a party the other night, ( I know, I shouldn't be drinking), but a young skinny guy challenged me to a push-up contest. He was fresh out of Airforce bootcamp but I was undaunted by this. A random girl counted for us and he reached 43 push-ups and was done. When I hit 53 she said she was tired of counting so I stopped. At this point I hadn't faded or slowed. I feel sure I can pass 70 if put to the test and that's with me weighing 30 pounds more than you Fats, so man up.
Fatty, Fatty, Fatty... Last week, already tired from working out but wanting to test ourselves, Bells and I both cranked out 30 pushups without incident (I hadn't done them in forever).
Then last Saturday night, in an apparent celebration of Festivus, a drunken Bells churned out 53 pushups in the presence of bewildered strangers (at Bad Andy's sister-in-law's Hawaiian Loua party).
HAHAHA! I love it on how concerned you all are on my pussy-up abilities. I never said I could only do 16... just the last workout I did started with that. Still, I think 30 would be all I could do anyway.
Johnny-come-Fatly - That's crazy talk - 53 push-ups and counting!!! That cracks me up. I know you are good a push-ups, but come on! You never do them. I had you pegged at 40-50 and that is impressive. If you are zoning in around 70, well... I'll try and remember my penis when I come.
So.. why do I get all this grief?? If some skinny youngin straight from bootcamp can only crank out 43, how many is a fat old man to do? Besides the spicy 'Bell' pepper that is?
Johnny-come-Fatly - That's crazy talk - 53 push-ups and counting!!! That cracks me up. I know you are good a push-ups, but come on! You never do them. I had you pegged at 40-50 and that is impressive. If you are zoning in around 70, well... I'll try and remember my penis when I come.
Push-ups are a lot easier than benching 300lbs., Fatty. With my kind of upper body strength push-ups are easy even though I rarely do them. A little more endurance and 100 would be no problem. Not only was it 53 and counting but I was drunk as well. In a few days I'll go for my true max and let Zilla watch so you know it's accurate. Then when you come in October we can throw down and see who the push-up master is. Better get to work, Fatty.
I cranked out 85 while sick with pnuemonia and not having done a pushup in several months.
50 push ups seems like a normal amount for any human you grab off the street. Now granted, the guy was in the Air Force which is he supremely pussy version of the military where they take their physical fitness test on a bicycle.
But if you can do thirty, then 25 should be no problem for your workout.
I cranked out 85 while sick with pnuemonia and not having done a pushup in several months.
Dude, that's just kicking ass. When we were young you and I always ended out workouts with push-ups. When we did we had our feet up on a chair to make them harder. I remeber even though I was better a 1 rep power than you I would always get edged in endurance by you.
I worked my ass off in the gym today, but Zilla was the star of the show. He hit 215lbs. for 4 reps on the bench. Zilla's been kicking ass getting stronger every time in the gym. We both sweated our asses off on the cardio and I feel great. Bring it on, Fatty. I can't wait to see who looks better come October, and yes muscle mass will be a factor.
We just won't mention how many push-ups I can do. Once I make it big as an artist, I shall hold that skill over all of you who are in better shape than me. I will hold it up and laugh as my coffers fill with gold.
As your coffers fill suddenly you feel a sharp pain in your chest, oh no, it's a heart attack. Next thing you know you're dead and your filling coffers don't mean shit. Well at least your kids will benefit. Hopefully this doesn't happen but when you're overweight the chances are greater. This is why I'm working my ass off because I want to be around for my kids and grandkids.
Bone, wasn't your OCS bootcamp just like the Marines? I watch the Military channel sometimes and the Marines bootcamp is considered the hardest. I have heard Air Force bootcamp is the least hard. I however mean no disrespect to someone that graduates at the top of their class.
50 push ups seems like a normal amount for any human you grab off the street.
Dude. Where are you living?? F'n Melrose Place? I think I want to live in your world. How absurd is that statement?? You got Jack living in Uncle Remus's world with birds landing on his shoulders while he whistles to work, with shouts of 'Hello Jack!' everywhere. Then you got Bone's world... aka Melrose Place. Just perpetually fit people, pin-up girls and pussy.
I am guessing Joe Average can do 10-20 push-ups. The push-up program states this as well, but I call them BS, so my statement stands only on my experience with people. Lets take a poll of JA members. Ross what was your total before the program? Rad? NickNick? Robo? Swerb? Monkey? Do a set tonight for 'research' sake.
As your coffers fill suddenly you feel a sharp pain in your chest, oh no, it's a heart attack. Next thing you know you're dead and your filling coffers don't mean shit. Well at least your kids will benefit. Hopefully this doesn't happen but when you're overweight the chances are greater. This is why I'm working my ass off because I want to be around for my kids and grandkids.
I'm not denying the increased potential for an early release due to my physique. I am however miffed at the total lack of physical prowess that I posess. I beleive, at my best, I was able to do 25 push-ups.
Well, the other day I did arround 25 (mostly out of boredom). I could've probably done some more but I wouldn't imagine much more than 30 without practice. Perhaps I'll try again tonight to see where my limit is.
Perhaps 50 is a reasonable number for "in shape" people, but that certainly doesn't seem like the average state of affairs. Not in my neghborhood anyway.
Bells, I don't think Bone should mock some kid he doesn't even know. Because he choose the Air Force doesn't make him a pansy, it may have suited his interested more so than the Navy.
I went on 2 dates in college with a Navy Seal (that was all I could take). Should I assume, based on my experience, that all Navy men have over-inflated egos and spend extra hours at the gym overcompensating for some shortcoming?
I could make a stupid general statement like any monkey who can pass a written test and physical can enlist in the military and go off to boot camp...
My brother's best friend and roommate broken his arm and dislocated his shoulder during the beginning of survival training. He was captured and tortured like all the others, and received medical attention a week or so later after the completetion of the exercise.
I wonder how many push ups Bone could do with a dislocated shoulder and broken arm?
My brother choose to attend the Air Force Academy because of his interest in one of their undergraduate programs, as well as his interest in serving in the military. As with all the military academies, you have to apply for acceptance, and it is based on many factors.
My brother is one of the most well rounded individuals you will ever meet. He is both athletic and brilliant. He has had an exceptional career because of his Air Force experience, one that even the Bone would find impressive.
I am guessing Joe Average can do 10-20 push-ups. The push-up program states this as well, but I call them BS, so my statement stands only on my experience with people. Lets take a poll of JA members. Ross what was your total before the program? Rad? NickNick? Robo? Swerb? Monkey? Do a set tonight for 'research' sake.
I just hit the floor and pumped out 50 push-ups. This from a guy who works out about twice a week and honestly, not all that hard (and is feeling crappy from drinking beer and eating shitty food all day yesterday). Of course, 50 is probably my upper limit - I was lacking a bit of oxygen when I stood up...
Well, this is the last I'm going to comment on the topic because it's gone full ridiculous, but Fatty is right - I independently surmised that 10-20 is probably average for a man before I read his post. Neither Bells nor Bone apparently has any real understanding of what an average person's strength level is, not that that's necessarily a bad thing - reality is harsh, and people tend to be weaker than stronger people would realize. I started at 27 as my max so I don't reckon I'm much sweeter. And unfortunately, I've been feeling extremely shitty for the past couple of weeks and haven't kept up with my program.
As for the average capability, I speak from a more informed position on this matter simply because I'm working with a bunch of dudes who are doing the challenge, and I hear them talk. They're essentially in teh same boat as Fatty and I - we all started somewhere in the high twenties to low thirties, and we all faced the same hurdles around week 3 of the program. These are completely normally built people, some of whom play sports on a regular basis, even.
So yes, props to you pushup masters, consider your egos stroked. But you are atypical and we are typical.
Good lord. I make an offhand quip about the Airforce physical fitness test and Bunky launches into a multi-paragraph tirade? Someone's a little sensative. I don't even care about the Airforce or your impressive brother. They're both fine and dandy.
As for the Melorse place I live in it's true. I work with people who have personel pride. They find the time to work out and yes most can do 50 push ups - even some of the girls. Second, I live in Hawaii where outdoor sports are very popular. I know many guys that are 10, even 20 years older than me that are in great physical shape. It's a choice. Do you want to sit around all day at work in front of a computer monitor followed by more sitting in front of a TV or video game console?
Big props to Swerb for being in the man club. According to Fatty and Bert the membership must be at an all time low in the modern era.
You're completely right, Bone. Those of us who can't meet the 50 push up limit must sit on our ass all day. There's no way we could be carting children around, feeding babies, working on other personal projects other than trying to impress myself with my body. No way one could possibly spend 3 to 4 hours a night working on something as meaningless as a comic book or a web page AFTER you get the kids to bed.
There's certainly the possibility of carting children around, feeding babies, personal projects (jacking off?). It's not about impressing yourself with your body, it's keeping youself in good working order to have quality of life with your kids and setting a good example for them to follow.
Everbody has shit to do. I don't believe for one second you don't have time in your day you lazy farmer. Being sloppy simply doesn't bother you. You don't have the courage, resolution, and discipline to exercise and stay fit. You'd rather jump up on Jackassery while eating you manufatured food item that's loaded with high fructose corn syrup.
Afraid the Bone is right here, Nick. Although I am no poster child for health and fitness, I do know it does not take a lot of time, it is the effort that stops most people. If you have 20 minutes a day, you can become more than reasonably fit. You don't need a lot (or any) equipment. But the 20 minutes are killers. The key is short, intense workouts that encompass full body movements. I am trying this out this month, a non-equipment, home-styled work-out, to see what results I get. Just push-ups, squats, and crunches. Plus, a daily walk for any hour, but if you only have 20 minutes, sprints are a much better substitute. Do 20 second sprints, 4-6 times for a workout.
Of course, you should ramp up the intensity. That will come naturally anyways. The begining weeks is getting your body used to the exercises and getting it to handle the work. Sprinting especially. Do moderate sprinting the first few times so your muscles, tendons, and ligaments have some time to strengthen.
Don't even have 20 minutes? The burpee beatdown will whip you into shape in 5 minutes. 1/3 of those 5 minutes you are resting. It looks and sounds easy?? Once you try it once (and I doubt you will make even 6 cycles - about 3 minutes), it will take all your maniless to start up the Beatdown the next time.
As for the Melorse place I live in it's true. I work with people who have personel pride. They find the time to work out and yes most can do 50 push ups - even some of the girls. Second, I live in Hawaii where outdoor sports are very popular. I know many guys that are 10, even 20 years older than me that are in great physical shape. It's a choice. Do you want to sit around all day at work in front of a computer monitor followed by more sitting in front of a TV or video game console?
Pride? Try vanity. First, if you couldn't do XX pushups, you weren't a 'man'. Now, you don't [shouldn't?] have any personal pride? And what you call sitting "around all day", I call making a living.
I'm fat. But I can still run around with my son in the backyard. I push him in the jogger while I skate behind him. I backpack. And yes, I "sit in front of a video game console". Don't tell me what "it's about". The only time I was ever thin was high school football, and I will never find 3 hours/night, 5 days a week ever again. I do what I can, but don't enjoy the luxury of enough free time to follow a system.
It's funny that fit people love tell others that it's not that hard to be fit. And people with a lot of money tell others it's not hard to make money. And Star-Bellied Sneetches tell those without one upon thars that it's not hard to be Star-Bellied Sneetch. Speaking as someone with a lot of empathy, I know it's hard for some people see things from another's point of view, but I know it's beyond many peoples' ability to do so.
It's reassuring to know that, despite what my friends and family said growing up, people do care about what's on the outside. And whenever I have to talk or interact with someone during the day, that person is walking away with an informed appraisal of my level of self-dignity. Obviously being healthy is important, I'm not saying it's not. I am saying you worry about you, and I'll worry about me.
Now, if you men are done measuring your cocks, and MET-Rx chat, can we get back to Photoshopping Bunky into awkward situations? Please?
Item two: That fail picture is a huge technical foul.
Hey, blame the good people at Bryers for that one. I just posted the pic. :) I'll spare you my tirade on evil marketing people. But that's what happens when your ad, graphics, and marketing divisions aren't in the same state.
I blew a Bunky gasket because this whole push up thing that started off as a joke has gone completely ridiculous.
First off, my husband has a couple of nephews who are overweight, but could probably outbench and push up most of the people on here. So what?
I just found it funny that Bone makes a stupid remark about the kid doing the push ups, instead of questioning why there is a push challenge going on at Bad Andy's sister in law's party? I personally have not experienced any off this nonsense at a party since high school...
Bone, I am not feeling sensitive, nor have I ever been one to give a shit what other people think about me. I do things for myself because my I have a family history of heart disease and diabetes, and I have an obligation to my children to be healty.
I personally believe that you need to do things for yourself. I don't watch TV, I pack a lot into a day, and my XBOX time comes after bedtime or when I am traveling for work.
Fatty, get back to grabbing my boobs before they start to sag and Bone has Ross remove me from the site (oh yeah, and I like it)! Is that better Robot?
Bone, I hope this won't prevent you from posting your after picture at the end of August. I wouldn't want to this to screw Fatty, Jack, and Bells out of a shirtless (tanned?) Bone in boxers pic
Back on topic (did I just say that?): I'm considering going primal myself for a month and seeing what happens. What are you people eating? I know Bells is drinking a protein shake for breakfast. There's gotta be something more interesting than that. Any lunch or dinner ideas?
Robot - my comment about sitting around all day is misinterpretated. Most people sit around all day at work - me included. I sat around all day at my last job staring at a computer monitor. It was draining but I snuck out for a 20 min workout during lunch whenever I found the time, or after work. I just don't want to compound the problem by sitting around in fron of my computer or TV all day on the weekends either. I'm for video games as well. There's an entertainment factor there as well. Nothing is more stress relieving and satisfying than when I handed Bunky her ass at Gears of War on my first and only time playing. I disagree about the vanity vs personal pride. Humans aren't meant to be obese. It's a product of our sedentary lifestyles and our access to large quantities of cheap processed food. You want to get suckered in to all that. Have at it. I'm not advocating spending 3 hours a day exerciseing. It's absurd and a waste of time. I'm advocating eating no twinkies and maybe 20-45 mins of exercise. Surely in 24 hrs you can find that time. You don't need a gym membership. It's free as fuck. All you need is resolve. And I wasn't always in shape. I've had periods where I let myself go. I just felt like shit and did something about it. Same with Creeko. He was getting chunky in his college days and turned into a super ripped ab man. It can be done. Probably easier than you think.
Bunky - I'm sorry you take particular offense to the Air Force comment. It's a well known joke in military circles so I didn't think it would get anyone's panties too bunched up. (not that I'm overly concerned with that) Even the Air Force friends I know joke about it. There's a reason the kid fresh out of boot camp can only do 43 pushups when from personal experience, every last male out of Navy OCS could do somewhere in the order of 70-114 pushups in 2 mins. Call it a stupid comment if you want. It seems I'm a controversial figure on JA these days.
Yeah, you're just a jerk. :) Isn't that sort of the point of Jackass. We're not all supposed to play nice. It isn't any fun then. As for the time to work out, you're correct, it is about resolve. My wife and I are both trying (in vain, so far) to get back to healthier eating and a workout routine.
Bone, my panties were not all bunched up. I don't wear any when I am responding to your posts or looking at your before photo.
As for Air Force comment, I really was not offended at the comment, just suprised you did not ream Bells for throwing down a Push Up Challenge at a random party.
However, I do think my brother is pretty sweet!
I am sure I would be willing to overlook this whole incident if you were to post some photos of yourself doing pushups (shirtless, in boxers, ofcourse).
Another JA golden topic! Push-ups, piss-ups, pussy-ups. Who would have thunk it. It is as surprising as the Mini-van discussion.
Don't worry, I will keep the thread updated on the 100 push-up program. It is an impossible program, but I am sticking to it for proof. I had to drop a level to stay with the program. We will see how that works out. Weeks 3-4 are the same, then week 5 they have another 'magical' jump. They tell you to do your max push-ups, then rest 60 seconds and do almost as many. I'll stick with the program, but complain all the way. Thats what Fatty does best.
Jack - dude... primal is the easiest thing in the world to do. You eat meat, veggies, fruit, nuts, and bugs if so inclined. Scramble up some eggs, it takes 2 minutes. Throw some bacon and veggies in if you like. I do eggs a few times a week with bacon. Some quick days are some nuts and seeds and maybe a piece of fruit later on. Its important to have plenty of protien and fat, cuz that keeps you from getting hungry - healthier fat choices are from plants (olive oil, nuts, etc.) My basic rule of thumb is to always have protien with every eating.
Rad is right... technically a protien shake is not 'primal'... but it is one of those things that some people need to do to get the extra protien. Some are much better for you than others, primally speaking.
Zilla - I just ate some Bison, a banana, and some fresh figs for breakfast. That's not my usual though. I'll normally eat a couple hard boiled eggs, some frozen blueberries and blackberries, mixed with walnuts.
Nick - I think the most important aspect of getting fitter is making it a part of you daily routine. Even if you just go through the motions it's still good because cements the habit. Like brushing your teeth, it becomes a part of your daily life. If I'm tired and don't feel like working out, I'll just stretch for 20 mins and maybe throw in a couple situps and pushups. I rarely go beyond 30 mins in a workout. I'll go for a long walk from time to time but I don't consider it a workout, it's just nice to get some fresh air and take in the sites. I'll rarely run or do dedicated cardio. I think it's uneccessary and very boring. I'll do it every once in a great while just for variety. Changing my diet is the toughest part. As Bells knows, I have no self control when faced with something tastey like pizza, burgers, Dove bars. It's just something I conciously choose to do. Let's face it, we are a nation of softies who don't like to anything uncomfortable. Every once in a while it's appropriate to adopt The Hard Routine which is as much about forging mental strength and character than it is about health and fitness. No vanity here, just old fashioned manliness and mental resolve.
Zilla - I just ate some Bison, a banana, and some fresh figs for breakfast. That's not my usual though. I'll normally eat a couple hard boiled eggs, some frozen blueberries and blackberries, mixed with walnuts.
Thats right Jack, take it from Melrose. You go get some Bison and figs. Go ask for some Bison at Meijer. They shave it fresh off of a live buffalo in the back. As far as figs... I can just see you eating figs.
If you go back far enough in the historical record, you certainly will find that man hunted and gathered Scrambled Eggs and Ham Hot Pockets (TM), so you might be all right.
Another thought if I may; I don't regard any single feat of physical strength or endurance as a measure of manliness. I was just bustin Fatty's balls for letting himself get out of shape. With Bells piling on, it snowballed out of control. The most important thing about the 100 push up challenge in my opinion is the fact that it forges mental resolve in meeting the goal. That's why I fully encourage Bert and Fatty to complete it in earnest. The fact that they'll be able to do 100 push ups is inconsequential. It won't make them any fitter. What it will do is harden their character and serve as a building block to other things.
This concept doesn't just apply to the physical realm as well. I view exercise and physical capability in the same realm as intellectual capability. Those who are weak mentally deride those who are physically weaker as inferior and those who are intellectually superior view those who are stronger as inferior. Both views are myopic. It's really about improving all aspects of yourself.
Little known fact about me. I've always had difficulty learning math. I was the mathmatical equivelent of a fat, out of shape kid who lost his breath going up a flight of stairs. I scraped by algebra, geometry, trig by the narrowest or margins. I took the easy/lazy route and dropped out of pre-calc because it was unecessary to graduate. In college, I substituted math with logic. Again, the lazy route. When I decided to join the Navy, I failed the math portion of the test to become an officer. At that point I realized what a lazy, undisciplined fuck I was throughout my educational years. I decided at that point to do something about it. I checked out several mathmatics books and buckled down for over a month and learned all the math I'd avoided in the past. It wasn't easy and took dedication but I knew all the people that passed that test weren't superior to me. The next time I took the test, I kicked ass.
So to sum it up, if you are neglecting your health and fitness, you are doing yourself a huge disservice. To say you don't have time is an enormous fallicy. If you believe that you are delusional. You can do the burpee beatdown 5 times a week. It takes 6 mins total. You don't need any equipment save a timer. If you did only this workout and nothing else for a year, you would be ridiculously fit. The only problem is it takes a great deal of mental resolve and an ability to give a shit.
Zilla - I just ate some Bison, a banana, and some fresh figs for breakfast. That's not my usual though. I'll normally eat a couple hard boiled eggs, some frozen blueberries and blackberries, mixed with walnuts.
Thats right Jack, take it from Melrose. You go get some Bison and figs. Go ask for some Bison at Meijer. They shave it fresh off of a live buffalo in the back. As far as figs... I can just see you eating figs.
If you go back far enough in the historical record, you certainly will find that man hunted and gathered Scrambled Eggs and Ham Hot Pockets (TM), so you might be all right.
Call me ignorant, because I am. What exactly is the Burpee Beatdown. I tried to google it and all I got was rubbish. Give me some direction and maybe I'll get some motivation. I'll also post up a just married pic and a now pic of me as additional motivation. I apologize if this last step causes any type of sickness on anyone's part.
HAHAHA! Sprik Farms. Not only are they Buffalo farmers, but they are laywers! Sprik and Anderson. I am sure we all remember their comericials - yes, they hyped the buffalos then too.
Nick - why Google when it is all on JA??? Shame on you....
It cannot be understated. This simple exercise is an assWHOOPER, especially done in Tabata intervals. It is all explained in the link. The bottom line is, you get an intense workout in less than 5 minutes. After the first workout, you will be scared of doing it again. This is when your mental resolve comes in. My second time, it took me 30 minutes to sike myself up and actually start the workout.
Here is a brief summary... 20 seconds burpees, 10 seconds rest, repeat until puking (maybe 6 cycles if you are sweet).
All right. That's it. I'm going to give it a try. I've cried off pop again. Haven't had any since this morning. (I have to start somewhere). My sandwich for dinner was even an unwich (without the bun.) Keep an eye on the obits tomorrow to see if I'm dead.
Well I decided to chime back in because while I think Bone's heart
might be mostly in the right place (with the exception of his douchebag jabs about people's manliness), and perhaps he's trying to motivate
people in some Bone-only-knows kind of way, I believe he is mistaken on
a very key point: "getting fit" is all about, or at
least mostly about, vanity. That doesn't make it bad, nor am I judging
that at all. But it's not about health. There is no good evidence that "fit" people live longer or better quality lives than "out of
shape" or even "fat" people. Now, if you go too far in either direction,
your quality of life starts to drop off - of course we find many
more morbidly obese people who acquire type 2 diabetes and other
complicating ill health effects than people who suffer from working out
too much. Furthermore, it's not even clear that exercise is fundamental to managing your weight anyway. Seriously.
But
to say that someone who doesn't work out on a regular basis lacks
personal pride is not only absurd and purposely inflammatory but
demonstrably wrong. Maintaining an above-average fitness level is a
conscious choice, nothing more, and for most people is a matter of
priorities. For instance, it changes in my priority list over time -
during my immediate post-college years it was not a priority, then
around 1999, exercise and diet became my very top priority (mostly due to vanity because I was a fat ass). Never once
would I have said my level of personal pride changed over that course
of time - my priorities simply shifted. Once Heather was pregnant and since Logan was born, my
priorities have since shifted a bit further away from my exercise
plans. It's not always even a conscious choice, but sometimes a way of
coping with new situations.
Anyway, the bottom line is this: moderate exercise is good for you,
and being obese is bad for you, but doing 50 pushups, benching 200+
pounds, or going primal (which, sorry guys, is at least partly Bullshit
- I'm going to have to have Penn and Teller do an episode on it) is not
key to your health in any way shape or form.
So stop confusing "fitness" with "health". And don't try to frame the argument as "you have time to keep yourself healthy so you can be around for your kids!" when your advocated solution for relatively normal people is to start an exercise program - they are not risking their health! If you want to motivate people to get in shape so that they are happier with their body image (not an ignoble goal, in my opinion), just admit it, because that's really the underlying reason.
By the way, I didn't write the above to in any way excuse my current relative lack of fitness - I'm rather aggravated by it as well, and am working to try to figure out a manageable way to improve it - but I don't have any illusions about doing so for health reasons. It's almost entirely vanity, plain and simple. And I'm confident enough to admit that.
I'm willing to concede that vanity plays a part in my motivation to stay fit but not nearly as much as you would like to believe. A large part of it is because I enjoy various sports which require a level of fitness to be successful. If you'll notice, I've completely abandoned both bodybuilder and a power lifter modalities of training for functional fitness. I've been doing crossfit style workouts for over 5 yrs now. The goal isn't to be more muscular or stronger - just to have a great base to survive in heavy, life threatening waves, or maintain comptetiveness in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, or even to go on an arduous hike with a hot chick.
I feel vanity is a little strong though. Despite Bert's objection to quoting the dictionary - vanity is having excessive pride in one's appearance or accomplishments. How you define excessive is different for everyone. I suspect that those who have difficulty maintaining lower levels of bodyfat and who have difficulty motivating themselves take a more aggressive view of what's excessive. For me 20-30 mins of my time 3-5 times a week doesn't require an excessive amount of pride - just a reasonable amount.
Being fit is a tremendous boost to morale. I've been soft and out of shape before and I honestly didn't feel great about it. Ask Bell's how sweet he feels now compared to when he was on the Bill Phillips program. Almost universally, POWs would exercise and maintain grooming standards to the best of their ability because it gave them a sense of purpose and bolstered personnal pride. It certainly wasn't vanity for them.
I seek easy ways to incorporate diet and excercise in my life. The primal blueprint may have elements of bullshit for sure but it's very easy to incorporate and seems to work pretty well so far. My modified version of crossfit is equally easy to maintain and consumes very little of my time.
Finally for Bunky - why would I ream Bells for throwing a push up contest down at a party? When Bells is drunk there's no telling what's going to happen. You may be merrily enjoying your beer at a Christmas party when all of a sudden you find yourself being pulled into a jiu jitsu competition. Bells gets physical when drunk and a push up contest is the least suprising outcome.
I totally agree about feeling better, both physically and mentally, as a result of exercise. I just got done with a run and I feel 10 times better than before I started. And I generally enjoy life more when I'm in good shape.
Even so, like you say, Bone, it mostly boils down to vanity vs pride. You accused those of not exercising with having no pride, but it seems to me that your implied personal definition of pride (surviving in heavy waves, wrestling, or impressing women with your hiking skills) is by no means what an average person's is or should be. In fact some would probably say yours do boil down to vanity. So I have to say that you are unfairly characterizing "pride" to fit your own proclivities and it's rather obnoxious, quite frankly. But I guess we don't call this site Jackassery for nothing.
I will say that meeting and overcoming challenges and a quest for personal growth, in some form or another, is an essential point of pride. But it doesn't even have to be physical at all for some people. You ought to acknowledge that.
It's more than pride vs vanity. Part of it is looking professional which I include keeping bodyfat levels at a lower level. Part of it is physical conditioning to be able to do the things I enjoy as I advance in years. Part of it is the mental challenge of grinding out a tough workout - knowing that I could have given up and relaxed but choosing to reach my goal despite great physical discomfort.
Certainly you can achieve accomplishments to be proud of in other arenas. Nick Nick's comic book is one example where he has every right to be proud of himself.
The pride I speak of stems from being able to look at yourself in the mirror and know that you are prepared for mental and physical challenges whether you are called upon or not. It's something that has always seperated the warrior class from the merchant class so I guess I shouldn't expect everyone to understand.
Thanks for clarifying Bone. I was not aware that was the norm for drunken Bells. Perhaps that is why I found it a little odd, and you would not.
To the Bone/Ross debate: My last boss (that I worked under for 10 years), was under constant stress. They only way he could release his stress was by going to gym and doing an intense work out.
In fact, this was the norm for many of the type A personalities at my job. So much so, that the owner built a gym in our new building for all employees to use. He also brought his personal trainer out to show employees how to use the equipment. There were showers in the men's and women's restrooms so employees could go before work, or at lunch.
My boss was not doing it for vanity reasons. He was extremely athletic, played sports most of his life, and it was the only way he could keep his temper in check. If vanity were an issue, he would not have worked out in those awful spandex shorts, and laughed when we called him Marble Bags.
I know many people who work out as a hobby and stress release. As with anything in life, you need to do it for yourself.
Here, I was all ready to make a sort of broad, generalized statement based on my own particular philosophy/worldview, and perhaps inadvertently piss off everyone else in the discussion and prompt angry, defensive responses (occasionally laced with links to articles supporting my argument), but decided against it.
Did I mention I can do 50 pushups? It's because my wang is small. Less weight to lift off the ground.
Bone works out and Fs chicks because it's fun and it makes him feel good. I listen to heavy metal because it's fun and it makes me feel good. Everybody else plays video games because it's fun and it feels good. I mean, c'mon people, (sniff) can't we all just get along?
Pride plays a huge role in a lot of it. I can't speak for everyone of course, but it's my lack of pride that makes it hard for me to work out. I don't feel that I deserve to be a fit hunk of man. (This is in no way an attempt at pity.)
I have every right to be proud of my comic book, but it's truly hard to feel that way. I do it mostly because I HAVE to... no other way around it. Much in the same way that Bone needs to work out. I get antzy if I don't.
And no, Swerb, we can't get along. I think you're an ass..... that is unless, you can get someone from the press to do a featured article on me.
Here, I was all ready to make a sort of broad, generalized statement based on my own particular philosophy/worldview, and perhaps inadvertently piss off everyone else in the discussion and prompt angry, defensive responses (occasionally laced with links to articles supporting my argument), but decided against it.
Did supporting your argument with actual evidence actually become a bad thing while I wasn't paying attention?
Here, I was all ready to make a sort of broad, generalized statement based on my own particular philosophy/worldview, and perhaps inadvertently piss off everyone else in the discussion and prompt angry, defensive responses (occasionally laced with links to articles supporting my argument), but decided against it.
Did supporting your argument with actual evidence actually become a bad thing while I wasn't paying attention?
Like quoting such definitive articles from the BBC and New York magazine? Gosh, there's no way I could possibly do a google search and find articles supporting my point of view that exercise (along with proper diet) is a key element to mainting lower levels of bodyfat and play a role in longetivity as well as quality of life.
Here's a broad, generalized statement based on my own particular philosophy which I feel compelled to share; even if exercise doesn't do a damn thing for your health it's still manly. Physical feats are manly. Competition is manly. Strength and physical prowess is very much respected around the globe. We elevate a man to super star status simply because he can pummel another in the boxing ring, or because he can run the 100 meters faster than anyone else. In this world there are men and males and then of course women.
I don't know... if Bert doesn't care for people who quote the dictionary, I don't see how a link to an article to support his argument is any different. I think the dictionary is more commonly accepted as a reference than a news web site. (last I checked the dictionary doesn't sell ad space).
I don't know... if Bert doesn't care for people who quote the dictionary, I don't see how a link to an article to support his argument is any different. I think the dictionary is more commonly accepted as a reference than a news web site. (last I checked the dictionary doesn't sell ad space).
It's so funny but Zilla and I were thinking the same thing. I just didn't say anything because I thought it might reignite that whole debate again. Well said, Creeko.
Well, you are incorrect, and I already explained why the diictionary isn't a good source, go back and fucking read it before you accuse me of being sloppy.
Futhermore Bone, if you can cite the examples, do it. That's how debate actually works. The articles - if you care to read them - are reporting on what is foudn in studies, which are what we call science. If you can refute me, do it - don't just claim that you can.
The fact that you're unwilling or unable to tell the difference between BBC online and the source it's reporting, which is the Journal of the American Medical Association pretty much sums up why it's clear that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Ross, before you ask Bone to read your studies, I suggest you do so before you post them as a source in your debate.
First off, the report in BBC in April of 2005, I would not consider a study. The US team looked at data from three US surveys about health and nutrition carried out in the 70s, 80s and 90s. It would be more of a retrospective analysis based on data collected. In other words, it doesn't mean shit. This is not a clinical trial. It is a summary of surveys with a ridiculous amount of variables.
There is a huge possibility that people in fact lied when being surveyed, and there is no way to measure the impact that would have on outcomes.
Second, the method they used to determine BMI (calculated by divide a person's weight in kilograms by the square of their height in meters) also has a large margin for error. If you take someone with an athletic build (a football player for example) that is quite muscular, and calculate their BMI using this method, he will automatically have a elevated BMI just based on the fact that his muscle mass weighs more than fat.
The article completely contradicts itself. You have one guy saying "Even though we are getting fatter, in a society that is putting more emphasis on a healthier lifestyle, the impact may be lessened.
Here are some quotes from your article that argue against that school of thought:
The people who lived the longest of all were those with BMIs of 25, which lies between the ideal and overweight margins.
In comparison, there were 112,000 extra deaths among the obese category and nearly 34,000 extra deaths among the underweight category.
US researchers recently estimated that, based on the current obesity levels, life spans could fall by between four months and nine months. If the rise in obesity - 50% a decade in both the 1980s and 1990s in the US - was not stopped, the team said it could fall by two to five years within decades.
Dr William Cochran, a nutritionist for Pennsylvania's Geisinger Health System in the US, said the new research could cause confusion about whether being overweight is unhealthy.
"I think like most things, it's a mixed bag and the truth is not always black and white.
"But there is positively, absolutely, undeniably no doubt that being obese is not good for you."
It's basically impossible to do a clinical trial when it comes to overall diet, for exactly the reasons you cite, mainly that people lie. So in other words, it's the best data we have, and it is hardly worthless. I will grant that meta studies are less reliable than actual ones, but even one study (or trial) cannot be considered definitive. It takes an entire body of literature to lead us toward some level of confidence, and I was only citing one example that is merely presenting evidence that it isn't clear that being "fit" makes you live longer. Bone is, rather was (he seems to have recanted and reverted to argument from vanity) making the claim that unless you exercise, you won't live to see you kids grow up, and that's just not a well-supported argument.
In any case, props to you Bunky for calling me out - I haven't read the study myself either (I assume it's like most journals in that you have to pay to read them directly) but I have seen that study cited numerous times. So while I don't necessarily agree with your conclusions, at least you appear to have some respect for an argumentative technique beyond merely stating your opinion forecfully and passing it off as fact.
Harvard has been doing obesity and diet studies in mice, and looking at longevity, the long term effects of insulin, and the role it plays in life spans. I deal with clinical trials all day long for work, and in my opinion, they are all flawed to some degree.
This is just plain silly. We're arguing over what type of healthy is healthy. Guess what.... if you lead a healthy lifestyle; eat a variety of foods (heavy on veggies and fruits) mantain a somewhat active lifestyle and try and reduce stress, then you're going to, most likely live a longer life. There are always exceptions to the rule. The high school athlete who died of a heart attack, the olympic runner who died of a heart attack. Hell, on the other side of the coin, I used to have a guy come into the gas station I worked at and he was around 80. He'd been smoking for 60 years. Pall Mall unfiltered. He usually followed those with a couple cans of beer and a nice greasy jerky stick.
Look. The whole point should be to try and live a healthy, happy life. It really shouldn't matter HOW you do it. You could live your life obsessed with your body weight and muscle mass and how many push ups you can do and then be eaten by a shark.... or you could live your life obsessing over studies on the best way to live healthy and then be attacked and killed by rabid squirrels.
Taking it THIS FAR kind of defeats the purpose of trying to live a healthy life, don't ya think?
Well, you are incorrect, and I already explained why the diictionary isn't a good source, go back and fucking read it before you accuse me of being sloppy.
Other than Bert, am I the only one that doesn't understand why -- in an argument over the meaning of a word -- referencing the dictionary is bad?
Guess who ate bison for dinner tonight, a-holes?! Yes! Meijer has bison and I was loving my man-style!
Bone - How do you like your bison prepared? We fixed it on the grill. (I didn't even have A-1 Steak Sauce (tm) with it, it was too corn-fructosey for my primal ass). I also discovered tuna steak (that was lunch!). I hope I don't get the shakes tonight from Hot-Pocket (tm) withdrawal.
Well, you are incorrect, and I already explained why the diictionary isn't a good source, go back and fucking read it before you accuse me of being sloppy.
Other than Bert, am I the only one that doesn't understand why -- in an argument over the meaning of a word -- referencing the dictionary is bad?
If you'd only go back and fucking read what Bert said then you'd understand why!
Now I never said that if you don't exercise you won't live to see your kids grow up. The closest thing I said is that exercise is valuable for more than vanity's sake - it's about keeping yourself in good working order to have a better quality of life with your kids as well as set a good example for them. Now if your idea quality of life is sitting around the TV eating Ho Ho's and pizza rather than going for a swim at the lake or taking the kids on a hike up Sleeping Bear sand dunes then my arguement makes no sense. I guess quality of life is a value judgement and I value fitness that only comes with exercise. And if being a sedentary fuck is your idea of a good example for your kids to follow, then maybe I'm all fucked up in that regard too.
As far as the dictionary side topic is concerned, I raise my hand in ingorance regarding WTF you is talking about ninja. You say the dictionary's role is not to define words rather to reflect current usage. Well whatever you want to call it, the end result is the word's meaning. So by your rationale, the current usage of manliness is the very definition Roche laid out. At that point your arguement makes little to no sense to either myself, Roche, Creeko, and Zilla and possibly everyone else who has yet to register thier opinion on the matter.
As far as the dictionary side topic is concerned, I raise my hand in ingorance regarding WTF you is talking about ninja. You say the dictionary's role is not to define words rather to reflect current usage. Well whatever you want to call it, the end result is the word's meaning. So by your rationale, the current usage of manliness is the very definition Roche laid out. At that point your arguement makes little to no sense to either myself, Roche, Creeko, and Zilla and possibly everyone else who has yet to register thier opinion on the matter.
Zilla - I'm super impressed with what you've been doing. Bells told me that 6 months ago you were barely repping out with 95 lbs on the bench and now you in the 200 plus club for reps. He says your also a fiend on the treadmill sprinting at 10 mph. Now a primal diet? Good lord, you are going to be a monster. Way to man up!
Guess who ate bison for dinner tonight, a-holes?! Yes! Meijer has bison and I was loving my man-style!
Bone - How do you like your bison prepared? We fixed it on the grill. (I didn't even have A-1 Steak Sauce (tm) with it, it was too corn-fructosey for my primal ass). I also discovered tuna steak (that was lunch!). I hope I don't get the shakes tonight from Hot-Pocket (tm) withdrawal.
Looks like Fatty is eating crow now. I don't even know what to say... Jack has not gone primal, but full crazy (but in a good way). He is a far cry away from his daily hot-dog eating, exercise avoiding, Ruby-red drinking ways.
Great job Jack. I know when you change your ways it has a lot of sticking power. If Tony is Melrose, you are 90120 (or maybe you'd like to be 90-210?).
BTW... the above exchange reminded me of a retort to Bone's agruements. I got tired of him always saying 'Studies have shown.... blah blah blah...' So the next time he did that, I cut him of in mid-sentence with "None that you have read!" We both cracked up at that cuz it was true.
I will do my best to clarify the dictionary thing:
As I said, dictionaries don't define terms, they merely give their best attempt at showing the different ways words tend to be used. But since English is very much a living language, dictionaries are always playing catchup, and can never be considered "definitive", since they can't set limits on usage.
So on to my point: a dictionary can show someone is right about whether a word is used in a certain way, but it can't show you that someone else is wrong about how they use it. Granted, I'm sure the communication majors can jump on that and talk about how people have to have a general understanding of what words mean to be effective, and all of that is true but the point is when you quote the dictionary you end up trying to compete for "best" definition and there just ain't no such thing. So if someone says "X means Y" and someone else says "The dictionary doesn't say so!", that can't really be used a valid form of evidence. At best, all you can say is "maybe so, but it also means A, B, and C".
If you go back and look at the original discussion on it, John subtly (and perhaps inadvertently) changed the subject from my "primary indicator of manliness" to "meaning of manliness". Well, I hope I've made my point that it's incorrect to try to say that my "meaning" is wrong. There is no "one meaning", and even the two that he quoted are incomplete as I later showed (again, this is why dictionaries aren't good for this kind of thing). My original point was that that I didn't respect those who chose a particular usage as their primary one - not that they were misunderstanding the term, as John alleged of me.
Anyway, this is going to be my last post on Jackassery for a while. I am not particularly proud of the way I have allowed Tony in particular to anger me nor my reactions as a result. I also have too much going on in my life right now to let this kind of stuff bug me any more than it already has. Perhaps during a sabbatical I will be able to reflect on the matter and return with a better perspective.
I'll be sure to check in from time to time to make sure the site's still running well. Adios.
Wow. One shirtless picture of The Bone, and all hell breaks lose on this thread! Jack thought I was the only one who got all hot over it....
You might want to keep your clothes on for awhile Bone. We need to cool things down in here!
Bert, you have seemed stressed out lately. For my part, I was just jackassing around and admit I was trying to antagonize you but only in fun. It was certainly not my goal to piss you off so much that you would need to take a hiatus from your own site. At any rate you will be missed. I thought some of the exchanges of late were hilarious.
As for all that is going on in your life, I wish you well and hope things improve or at least settle down some.
Hey Bone, when you are discussing the Primal Diet with individuals, you may want to disclose the side effects and let them know it is rumored to cause an increase in testosterone levels, especially when combined with push-ups.
I would like to add that I don't believe my push-up contest at a party was any more sophomoric than the dialog that transpires during Halo and Gears matches. Double kill, Bitches !
Anyway, this is going to be my last post on Jackassery for a while. I am not particularly proud of the way I have allowed Tony in particular to anger me nor my reactions as a result. I also have too much going on in my life right now to let this kind of stuff bug me any more than it already has. Perhaps during a sabbatical I will be able to reflect on the matter and return with a better perspective.
Aw man, now I feel bad too. I'm not particularly proud of the fact that I've been a full arsehurl. I accept blame in this mess stemming from my initial comments on the push up bit. I was really just trying to bust Fatty's balls. However, when you made several comments to Roche about provoking a verbal smackdown and that you would show refrain from humiliating him - that came off as particularly mean spirited, condescending, and in my eyes was a total lack of respect for his intellect. At that point I decided that I'd needle away at you whenever the opportunity arose. It was childish of me and I can't say that my behavior before hand gave me any moral high ground to launch such an assault. I hope you accept my apology and know that as ashamed of your behavior you are, I feel the same way about my actions as well.
When we do the 10th Anniversary Comback Special, this thread will be fondly remembered by all! Manliness, naked torsos, pussy-ups, herny Bunky/pissed off Bunky/herny Bunky again, eating bison and berries, dictionary diatribes... remember when Bone called NickNick a "lazy farmer"? All classic!
Well done, everyone (that includes you, Bert!). Hugs and Warm Fuzzies to all!
If Bert would reply it should go something like this, "Apology accepted Captain Needa". I too thought this was a sweet thread, the end result notwithstanding. This was classic in every way. I only hope Bert's sabbatical will be short lived. After all, this is his creation, Jackassary and all. Bert, you can't just leave your creation to it's own device, it may go feral on you.
Does this mean we AREN'T getting the after photo of Bone?It is almost the end of August and I have been waiting patiently.....
Bells, good point on the Halo/Gears. I have to say, if you ask me a couple of years ago if I would be diddling mouthy chitlins on LIVE, I would have said no. Questioning the push up challenge with my online shenanigans makes me quite the hypocrite and I am sorry if I offended you.
In my defense, the diddle/smack talk combo did not become routine until Zilla/Edge entered the gaming picture.
Speaking of being hernie again, this whole sensitive side to Bone, coming to Bells defense, combined with the manliness.... Good Lord! I am thankful the Elite just came back and I am able to hook the chair up again!
See. Its all fun and games until people start eating bison. Bert will be back soon enough. If he is having tons of stress in life, having the JA mob against you doesn't make life much sweeter. Once he is back on an even keel again, then it will be JA all around. Nothing like being a little miffed and then being surrounded by A-holes.
Nick... I want a FULL report of your first attempt at the Burpee Beatdown. Do at least 4-5 sets.
Fatty's primal diet has shed some light on his lifestyle. I drink way too much. It seems every fricking day there is drinking to be done. Half the time it is the homemade moonshine - which is harsh. With my friends visiting, there was a lot more drinking.. and eating. But, I stayed true to my diet and still have no breads, grains, or processed foods. Even with the excess, I have dropped another pound. That makes me happy under the circumstances. Looking forward, the drinking is best cut out all together. We have a wine festival this weekend and a cold beer in the fridge. Those will have to be finished. Next week, the drinking will stop and it will be interesting to see if the weight loss accelerates.
I finish week three of the pussy program. I have a chest cold, but will try and finish it tomorrow. Max reps are up to 30-ish! Halfway through the program and the 100 is certainly within my grasp!!!
As far as the Burpee Beatdown goes.... I haven't yet worked up the courage to actually try one. You've got me so psyched out. I think, if people like Fatty and The Bone think the Beatdown is harsh, what chance do I have against it. I will have to attempt it this weekend or it just won't get done.
And Bunky.... we all are genetically predisposed to be a-holes. I think the only exception to that might be Rad. Have you noticed his quite noticeable absence from the site when things went arssy. I truly don't think Rad has it in him to be a full arsehurl. He's too nice. Bastard.
Nick, the Burpee Beatdown is eaually harsh for everyone no matter their fitness level. You do as many as you can in 20 secs. For me that might be 8 or 9, for you it may be 4 or 5. Since you do as many as you can, it is automatically scaled to your fitness level.
You paddlesurf too? Thanks for bringing the hernie-ness that has been lost over the last week back to Jackassery! Ross doesn't know what he is missing out on!
This may be the only thread on this page I visit from now on......
Dude... that is super-cool. You are one of those surf-dudes. You even got your name on the pic. I see you ignored my advice on wearing brown shorts in case you meet up with sharks. Oh well - I hope my logic never gets proven or else it will be an uncomfortable/ embarassing walk across the beach. Its one thing dealing with the shark injuries, but if you happen to shit yourself.. that is embarassing.
Next, you should see if you can get your pic in 'Masterbation Times'. That is another past-time you enjoy, plus you spent more time at it than surfing. Bunky would really like that!
Ok... I am opening myself up for retorts about pics in 'Couch Potato Monthly', 'Push-up Push-ay', 'Small Dick Gazette', or 'Men's Un-health'. We all know Johnny has a life-long subscription to 'Muscle and Fatness'
BTW - we need an update from the Bell's primal style
Fatty, I don't need the pic in a mag for it to work it's magic. I began blushing as soon as I read "Bunky - here's a pic". That's all the Bone foreplay I need!
Nick, the Burpee Beatdown is eaually harsh for everyone no matter their fitness level. You do as many as you can in 20 secs. For me that might be 8 or 9, for you it may be 4 or 5. Since you do as many as you can, it is automatically scaled to your fitness level.
All right, so I finally worked up the courage to try the Slurpee Beatdown. Here's a run down of how the set's went.
1st set - hey this really isn't that bad. 2nd set - ok, now I'm a little winded, I can see why this might be hard. 3rd set - ahhh, ohhh, can't breathe, legs burning!!! 4th set - Jesus lord kill me now, in the love of all that's holy!!! 5th set...... I decided 4 was a good number to start with.
So, we're going to try this once a day and see what I can do with it. I still haven't been able to give up the pop thing yet.... more to come.
Sweet NickNick... welcome to the Beatdown club. The first rule about beatdown club is you got beatdown by the burpee. Thats pretty much how my first experience of burpees went too. The first 2 sets are deceptively simple. The 3rd set starts telling you that you are in store for some business.
As Bone said, it is scalable. You can move faster or add sets to make thing harsher. You did 4 sets, so you had an ass-whooping routine in 2 minutes. Cut time off your long shits and anyone has time to do the Burpee Fitness program!
NN, thats a real good starting point. Try to do it maybe 4 - 5 times in a week. Then add an additional set until you can do 8 sets. No need to go beyond 8 sets. At that point try to increase the amount of burpees you do in a set. I swear you'll be abusurdly in good shape if you do it for any regular length of time.
Day 5 of Primal for me: Had a couple scrambled eggs and berries for breakfast. I don't feel starved at all. I miss the breads but I'm loving what I eat, so...
Over a month with no chocolate (except for 2 M&M's at a party... I forgot and then screamed at myself).
2-3 years: No pop (this is an easy one for me, once I went cold turkey).
So.... when it gets to be October/November, are all you Primal eaters going to grow yourself beards and go out into the wilderness to kill your meat? The first deer that you kill, you cut the throat and make the youngest one drink.... sorry, I went Red Dawn there for a minute.
Thats how we do it in Hungary every morning before breakfast to get our meat for the day, except it is a pig or goat. It puts food in a totally different context when you kill and butcher what you eat. Nothing like a little blood on your hands to make you appreciate food, life, and what goes into feeding you.
You guys are WAY too removed from what food really is. It is not packages of meat, ready for the microwave. It also helps you not to waste food, since you kinda knew the meal beforehand.
You guys are WAY too removed from what food really is. It is not packages of meat, ready for the microwave. It also helps you not to waste food, since you kinda knew the meal beforehand.
Dude! Have you noticed any farms in Lowell? Maybe the grain silos in the middle of town? We know where food comes from out here! Now, you folks that grew up in G.R., that's another thing: I tease Angie that pigeons are "Kentwood chickens."
Time to report in. I've started to waver a bit on the primal. I had a few days that I fell off all together. I'm back on today but even though I've been up and down on it I've still lost 10 lbs. since I started. I weighed in at 219.75 today, the first time I have been under 220 lbs. in a long time. I feel strong in the gym as well as solid on cardio. I'm actually in the best shape in years.
I wanted to report for Zilla as well. He was 221 lbs. when he stareted the primal and 6 days later, 215 lbs. You saw it right, 6 pounds in 6 days! Then he comes in the gym and shatteres his previous record on the bench which was 215 lbs. for 4 reps on the bench. Today he hit 230 lbs. for 4 reps, talk about primal strength. He's lighter and stronger or as he said "I'm more efficient now". Zilla has become a primal monster!
I am shocked at Zilla's progress. That is amazing. I am not too sure what is more impressive, his 6 pound drop, or his 15 pound bench increase. I am going to go with his bench. He has been benching for a while, so jumping up like that at this stage is very impressive.
Whats come over Zilla??? His he going to be one of 'those guys'? You know, downing protein shakes and working out in purple spandex. He has got to love the primal now.
Keep at it Bells! There is no falling off the primal bus. You are right back on at the next meal. 10 pounds is a great start, and just the beginning.
I have been real good still with my diet and programs, but the results have slowed drastically. I did cut out alcohol this week to see if that was the problem (I think it was since every day was happy time). Plus, I need to up my exercise levels. Sprinting is looking like a good addition. I'll try adding that on Saturday morning. There is a track 15 minutes away, walking, from me. I found the perfect gym I wanted to join, except it is on the other side of town near my old job. Its one of those shabby, power-lifting places hobbled together with various equipment. Remember that place in the Comet, Johnny? I forget the name, but it was my favorite gym. No frills and no nonsense.
Yep, Fatty that was Beckwith Gym. It was actually one of my favorite gyms I've worked out in. As far as the primal today, I'm doing real well. It's time to drop another 10 lbs. hopefully in the next couple of weeks, if I can be strict. Like I said, my cardio is going real well lately. The weight lifting for me has been solid also.
John is being modest. Today he set a new ALL-TIME SQUAT RECORD for himself: 380 lbs!!! And quite frankly, if he'd approached the weights with less reps, I think he could have done 400. That's full obsurd, my friends!
Now excuse me while I head out to the store gaming at BC Pizza and have a salad while surrounded by "Shoreses" and "Schneiders" devouring pizzas (Fatty knows what I'm talking about!).
I did not realize that according the the ZillaBells interpetation of the Primal, there are plenty of servings of sucking each others dicks! No thanks, I will stick to salads.
Fatty primal update....... End of week 4 and still am going strong. This is certainly the easiest eating change I've ever done. I don't really worry about shit. I am never really hungry, and if I am, a few nuts takes it away. Nuts do the same thing if I am feeling a little fuzzy in the brain during the afternoon. Much better than a Snickers bar (*gasp*).
Not so much in ways of carb cravings either. Today someone wanted to split a pizza with me and the thought of it was appealing, but I had no problem saying no. My salad was more than satisfying too.
So, whats the progress? I am not blazing trails like Bell's and Zilla's first week tonnage loss. My is a very typical and expected weight loss. I've reached my first benchmark of 180 pounds today. I am very pleased with the results thus far. The belly is shrinking (my main goal) and the belt went in a notch this week. Plus, this week I got a comment that I was looking great and what was I doing? Whats my goal?? Maybe 170 to even a scrawny 165. I was just under 160 around age 25 with a flat tummy. Now there might be some more muscle mass, so we will see how things look at 170.
The push-up program. It is still bullshit!!!! But, I am still on it and following along. Just finsihed week four. It is tough and challenging. There is no way that it will work. Today I did do over 100 push-ups total in a workout, but to do them all at once in two weeks??? Not. The muscle endurance and recovery time are the problems. The next two weeks will work on shortening your resting time. I think the program should focus on building endurance. So far the most consecutive push-ups in a set was 25. Next week it is bumped up to 35. Yes, you do multiple sets with minimal rest. Still, I estimate my one-time max only going up to 40. And that is expected in the program at this point!!!!! If I can do more than 60 after two weeks, I'd be surprised.
Good job Fats. I've been off the primal for the last few days. I'm not eating too bad just not primal. Between the moving, traveling and this shitty room I'm in, it hasn't been as easy. I'm trying to get a room with a kitchen but one hasn't opened up yet. I haven't really been working out either but I did do water survival the last 2 days which is somewhat exhausting.
I do have plenty of time, a gym, a track , and a pool all within a 3 mile radius so I should get back on track soon.
Finish the push up workout as prescribed. On game day, adrenaline and pride and shear force of will should give you an extra bump.
We will see.... I will give it my all, just to prove that it is bullshit. I'm following the routine so far, right on track (but on the middle program). I am busting my ass to keep up, so there is no whoosing out on this end. I do think next week the program will go too far. But, I will give it the Big 'O" crush.
After over ten years of not running, I did my first sprint routine today. I kept it real light, but tomorrow I am sure I will be very, very sore. The calves are tight and sore already. Did 6x100 meters with a 100 meter walk in between to recover. Start calling me Fatty-Bolt soon.
Bro, I don't know how wise it is to roll straight into 100 meter sprints with no running base. Even when I running track in high school, the coach made us run distance (3-4) miles for several weeks before starting the sprinting. The potential for injury is pretty good in the 100 meters, especially for old mofos like us.
You should jog a slow 800 meters, stretch, sprint a couple 400s, then maybe add a couple 100s if you are feeling good until you are fully adjusted. When I'm a little more motivated I'm going to write the Bone Treatise on Fitness but from what I've gathered and experienced, sprinting is far, far more effective in making you leaner, more muscular, and explosive than any faggoty 5k or 10k type running.
Yep - you clued me into sprinting some years back and I've kept it in the back of my mind. Men's Health had a great story on it some time back that I remember. Don't worry - I am not jumping in all hung-ho. I am very aware of my old, out-of-shape ass. I did do a 400m warm-up jog... then my 'sprints' were me running fast but at maybe 3/4 intensity for the most bit. I felt a little awkward and really turdy. It is going to take some time for all the tendons and joints to get strong, but I will make sure I do take it easy for the first 4-6 times. Once a week is all that is planned at this point, so there will be plenty of recovering time.
The Daily Apple has launched me into other websites that have been interesting - The Fitness Black Book, The Zen to Fitness, Modern Forager. At least browsing these keeps me interested in fitness and keeps me motivated.
BTW... it is my abs that have the most soreness. My lower legs are what I expected and not too bad. I heard my abs would be sore... but I did not think they'd be like this!
100 Push-up update..... BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Day 1 Week 5 - They full went off their rocker. I knew this from the start. My prediction was week 3 or 4 was when people would drop out. Me, I had to drop a level, but I pressed on. My last workout on Week 4 was tough, but I completed it. I did the push-up test for Week 5 and did 40. I fit nicely into the second tier workout, so Week 5 should have been do-able.
Say all the stupid shit you want, but by pure logic this program is stupid. On Friday they had me do 25-19-19-17-25 with 2 full minutes rest in-between. It was very difficult, but by busting ass, I did it. So three days later, they wanted me to do 35-28-25-22-35 with only 1 minute rest in between. WTF??? Three days ago I could not do that with twice the rest period, now under some miracle I am that much stronger?? Yes, I rested ALOT longer than the 60 seconds and managed this 35-20-20-17-18.
The workout changes some the next two workouts this week - more sets of less reps and less resting time. I might fare slightly better on these. I'll give the week a shot still, even if I have to drop another level.
I am not giving up, but this program is set up for selling tee-shirts. I am not kidding. You can buy your own saying 'I am doing the hundred'. They do not have one for sale saying 'I DID the hundred'.
It is almost time for a photo update.... who is in??? NN - what about your Burpees? How many days did you do them? Something tells me you did not attempt day two.
Day 12 of Primal for me. Plus, no chocolate in about 1-1/2 months. I'm not hungry or suffering too bad. Had a cookout and I just had hamburger without the bun and the fruit. Bought some walnuts and almonds at Costco, so I won't be running out of nuts anytime soon. Thursday is 2 weeks... I'm interested in how much (if any) additional weight I've lost.
Bone, Bells... it's been a month! Update! (and for Bunky's sake you better have pics)
I've been off primal for a week now. Not totally fucked up but not all there. I will say though I look more ripped than the before pic. Unfortunately I don't have a camera or a scale. I'm slowly getting back to primal and I've done a couple good crossfit workouts. Tomorrow is my first day at Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Can't wait to choke out some Floridians.
I was thinking about Nick Nick today as I was doing the 5 pullups, 10 pushups, and 15 squats (as many sets as you can in 20 mins). It's similar in shittiness to the burpee beatdown and for some reason felt Nick Nick no longer does them.
One last side note - I bought a Macbook today and it blows every piece of shit PC product I've every had clean out of the water.
Fatty. I've actually done quite well on the burpees. All though, I've scaled it for my fitness level. I think if I went all out with the full 4 minutes I would have given myself a hernia. As it stands, I was fairly close to doing that anyway. So, I'm going to try and get up an hour earlier every morning and start off with a burpee and then run for 20 - 30 minutes.
Nick, try doing a body weight squat using the the Tabata protocol (20 secs on, 10 rest) It's less ass kicking than the burpee but will be more effective than running 20 mins. I'd rather do that 6 to 8 times and be done with it.
NN - I am proud of you! Usually lack of discourse means lack of effort. Glad that is not the case. Don't worry about how many you are doing starting out. You MUST scale them to your ability. You will know when to push yourself as your body gets used to them. The longer you do them, the more you can do... But in a few weeks I hope you are motivated enough to branch off into other exercises.
Listen to the Bone.... he really is a bit of a Guru. I consider myself fairly well versed in diet and exercise (in knowledge that is), but the Bone blows me away. The exercises he is telling you are not magic exercises, just more efficient. Running for long periods of time will not burn as many calories in total as short, high-intensity interval training. Running burns calories at that immediate time, but little after, and HIIT style fires up your body for many hours of calorie burning. The trade-off is they can be ass-whoopers. Tabata Squats are not too bad. I am doing those now.
Bone - thats crazy! I just started researching the Macbook. I am thinking about getting one when I am in the US. My current laptop served me well, but it is now about 5 years old. It seems like the thing to do. Ross got one a few years back and loves it too. I was hoping he'd be around for his input. I am glad you like it. What sold you on it? I have lost favor hearing all that shit on Vista and understand the Mac OS and apps are uber sweet.
Robot - throw it down then!!! Gimme some Macbook reviews!!! Apple has a sale that makes them $100 bucks off and you get a free IPOD Touch ($299 value). The catch is you have to be a student or parent of one. I will look to get around that one (employees of schools count too).
No offense on my asking Ross. He has always been my techie guide for things. He is on top of the electronics info and has been good to me (Save the time I bought his old home computer which may have contributed to my near hear-attack when it crashed exactly when I pressed 'send' to email in my freshly completed thesis 2 hours before the deadline - also known to the world as the 'Worst Paper Ever!')
So damnit.... I need a new laptop to become my Fatstation entertainment center! Will the Macbook be good to me and keep up with technologies for 4-5 years like my trusty-rusty Toshiba?
Plus... can anyone else confirm that Firefox 3 is a CPU hog and jams up your computer??? I want my 2.5 back and no luck finding it yet.
I have lost favor hearing all that shit on Vista and understand the Mac OS and apps are uber sweet.
I bought a new 64-bit HP a month or so ago and have had zero problems with Vista (well, besides HP not supporting a 5 year-old printer with a Vista driver... fuckers! I bought a new Canon printer and now Canon is getting all my printer ink money! HA!). I've heard tons of horror stories of Vista, but I've had zero issues myself and it works great for me. Love it!
I doubt Robot is offended. I threw his name out because it appears Ross is still on his self imposed leave, and Robot is an IT genius. He even offers up consults while killing bitches on LIVE!
My guess is, if Ross is checking the site, it is while he is not logged in, and therefore probably not going to respond to any questions.
Today was a rough day workout-wise. I did 5 supersets of 400 meter sprints/15 reps overhead squats w/95lbs. That destroyed my legs and my will to live. Then I manned up and went to my first day of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. After all the learning, we rolled (sparred) and I went 1 win and 2 losses. Not bad considering they were higher belts than me and I have a 1 inch by 1/2 strip of skin ripped off my palm from pullups.
Today, I stripped down to my underwear and dove into the amazon. I chased a few pirhanas through water and then ate them. Then I found a crocodile and brike it in half for the rest of the pirhanas to feed on. After that, I raced a cheetah but couldn't quite catch up with it. I was winded. While I was catching my breathe, a tribe of African woodsman descended upon, determined to skin me for my pelt. I manned up and beat them all to within an inch of their life. Pretty impressive, right?
NickNick said: Today, I stripped down to my underwear and dove into the amazon. I chased a few pirhanas through water and then ate them. Then I found a crocodile and brike it in half for the rest of the pirhanas to feed on. After that, I raced a cheetah but couldn't quite catch up with it. I was winded. While I was catching my breathe, a tribe of African woodsman descended upon, determined to skin me for my pelt. I manned up and beat them all to within an inch of their life...
and then, I ate breakfast: nine figs, six grains of barley and a dodo egg.
and then, I ate breakfast: nine figs, six grains of barley and a dodo egg.
HAHAHAHA! We just don't understand what its like to be a warrior. We should not laugh. Bone may require another therapy session with Xerxes.
'Those assoholes just don't understand. Would you like a fig? I mean, seriously, we could rip off their little heads in a second! They would not be laughing so hard then... right? They should respect a warrior. We do require a high caliber of food. Dodos are extinct anyways - dumbasses. You can now only get Dodo eggs Trader Joe's extinct section. Whole Foods stopped carrying them.'
Nick, don't get too down on yourself about the cheetah. I used to get smoked by him too until I started doing burpee beatdowns. SInce then I've improved my VO2 max substantially and now its the cheetah that gets winded.
Man, I have to admit that I'm sore, bruised, and tired today. I'm going to have to have a beer and get my frook on.
I'm half-way through the month of my Primal Diet. Weight loss in the last week: A big fat zero. Pretty dissapointing as I lost 6 lbs quickly the first week. Angie is in the same boat -- initially took weight off, and now nothing the last week. We're both completely eating primal: no breads or processed foods, no sugar/chocolate - just meat, fruits, vegetables and nuts. And we're excercising!
But we're sticking with it. Two weeks to go!
Bone, Bells, Fatty - We need pics/final numbers after a month of Primal. I know Bells has fallen off the Primal Train, smashed his head on the beer truck and got ran over by the Pizza Van more than once. How about the rest of you?
I do think I'll have some improved eating habits when the month is over and hopefully have a little more moderation in my diet.
What are you doing here? Don't you have Earth 2 to be watching?
Seriously though, I too have been trying out the whole moderation thing. I've not gone primal with it, but I am being a bit more reasonable with my intake. I have been eating almonds as snacks lately too. I like me some nuts! (homosexual implications intended)
I'd guess that I've been about 88% primal since Aug 1st. My main lapses have been from travel and they haven't been berserker with the exception of the 2 bags of donuts I ate on day and felt like I at cyanide. I've lost a solid 5 lbs which is excellent considering I'm fairly lean to begin with. I don't have a camera but I can see a very distinct improvement in muscularity and cutness (I've coined that word).
Zilla, Don't worry about the fat loss. You should not lose more than 2 lbs a week at a maximum. Anything over that is either water or muscle loss. My rate of fat loss has been 1 lb a week and I've kept every bit of muscle as far as I can tell.
Just to add to the longest thread ever - i tapped 3 dudes out of 3 last night in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. One was a cop which was extra special. Hopefully Bunky's relatives aren't cops cause I don't feel like a verbal reprimand.
Well, I started the primal at 230lbs. and now I'm 222lbs. as of today. This is with me falling off the primal train and hitting my head on the beer truck while being struck by the pizza van. As far as an after pic I don't know how much a difference the 8lbs. has made in my overall look.
I'm still hitting the gym pretty good and I'm eating more primal again. I'll keep trying because why do we fall? So we can pick ourselves back up. Wow, that sounded familiar.
Wow Bone, 3 dudes and one was in the airforce, I mean police force.
Funny you mention that Bone, my Uncle is a Sheriff in a beach town in CA and my husband's best friend is a cop!
Since you were thoughtful enough to post the paddle surfing pic, there will be no more verbal reprimands from me.
Anyhow, it was more in the spirit of the thread than serious anyhow. Had I known at the time you were just defending Bells, I wouldn't have even gone there. I find that to be very sweet.
I have pretty much figured you are a bad ass by now anyhow.
I am also extremely uncomfortable from surgery and trying to avoid the pain meds because I do not like them. I could not unleash a verbal assault if I wanted too!
Fatty has been about 98% to his plan, which I had to modify when the plan still included lots of drinking. So for pure primal - we will say 90%. Yesterday I treated (cheated) myself to a burger and fries plus some cocktails for a reward for my success. I am not done yet, but the progress after 30 days is 10-11 pounds lost, noticable reduction in fat on my face and belly, one belt notch lost, and an increase of 30 push-ups. My exercise is low to moderate, but it still counts. Just push-ups three times a week and squats the other three. Plus, the added running/ sprints I will do once a week. I am going to have another fun day on Sunday with a big ole cook-out.. then back on the primal. I do like it and still find it easy to live with. There is a noticable craving for carbs now.... burgers, pizzas, breads... but, my appetite has gone down.
Besides my beer cheating that was modified later... I really only had bad carbs in the form of 4 pieces of bread and maybe two potatoes total in thirty days.
You will get an update photo in the next few days....
That's impressive Fatty. I'm going to try to be a little more strict for the month of Sep - maybe 95% primal. The results are astonishing and it's fairly easy to adhere to compared to other diets.
This is a long ass thread... Here are my pics before and current:
Just for the record... I am not trying any thinning tricks... I am tensing my gut, not sucking it in, and I am trying to stand up as straight as possible. There is definate belly shrinkage! This is after finishing push-ups, ending week 5. I had to drop to the first level and could not complete (came close, had to rest a 3-4 minutes at the end before the final max set and fell 5 short). At the begining of the week, by their testing standards, I should have been able to complete the workout at level 2. This is where their workout becomes pure fantasy. Not too many people reach week 5 I'll bet. I look at what I am supposed to do in two days time and crack up. Even the level one they are asking for the impossible for the conditioning I am at. I'll do what I can and do the final test to see where I fall. Sure, they are saying now that you might have to go back and repeat weeks... Well assholes, that means your '6-week program' doesn't work.
Can I get a shirt printed saying 'I did the 100 and it is bullshit!'?
Dude, that is full sweet. That's significant progress. I'm convinced the Paleo is the best, most easily sustainable plan out there. The fact that you've managed such an impressive improvement with a relatively weak exercise program is proof in my mind that diet is the most significant factor losing fat.
The 100 pushup workout is bullshit I agree. I think there are better ways of hitting 100 in 6 weeks.
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