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Those Darned Creationists
Entered on: July 14, 2008 3:14 PM by Ross

Anyone heard of Conservapedia?  It's the right-wing ideologue alternative to Wikipedia, where apparently you can let your ideology take precedence over pesky things like facts.

Anyway, there was a recent study that if you read the science section of the newspaper you might have seen, otherwise probably not.  But the gist of it was that these biologists have been working on a strain of E Coli for the past 20 years, and it has evolved some pretty amazing abilities, namely to metabolize stuff that, not only could it not do before, but that by definition, E Coli could not do.  It would be the equivalent of humans evolving the ability to eat and use for energy something that no human had ever successfully eaten before. 

Bottom line: this is yet another example of irrefutable evidence not only for evolution, but for what the creationists like to call macro-evolution.  Most have ceded the idea that minor tweaks in genetic makeup happen over time, but something on this scale is beyond what most creationists are willing to believe.  So what happens?  This douchebag at Conservapedia starts demanding to see "the data" that prodcued the study, and hilarity ensues.  It ends with one of the sweetest smackdowns I've seen in a long time, on the part of Richard Lenski, the main researcher involved in the study: 

“I tried to be polite, civil and respectful in my reply to your first email, despite its rude tone and uninformed content. Given the continued rudeness of your second email, and the willfully ignorant and slanderous content on your website, my second response will be less polite

First, it seems that reading might not be your strongest suit given your initial letter, which showed that you had not read our paper……” If you have not even read the original paper, how do you have any basis of understanding from which to question, much less criticize, the data that are presented therein?

But perhaps because you did not bother even to read our paper, or perhaps because you aren’t very bright, you seem not to understand that we have the actual, living bacteria that exhibit the properties reported in our paper, including both the ancestral strain used to start this long-term experiment and its evolved citrate-using descendants. In other words, it’s not that we claim to have glimpsed “a unicorn in the garden” – we have a whole population of them living in my lab!"

 

Man, I love science.

Read all the details here.  A very interesting read, IMO.

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From: RobotSpider Entered on: July 14, 2008 3:15 PM

Good stuff, indeed!  I love that when it comes evolution, the environment, and science in general, it's the creationists that demand not only proof, but access to all the data so they can interpret it in their favor.  But when you ask for proof (or evidence to support) the existance of god, the only reply you ever get is 'faith'.  Horseshit.  I'll put my 'faith' in science any day. 

"But science makes mistakes!!" 

Yup.  That's the great part about not being an idealogue; we're allowed to change our opinions without admitting to some sort of character-flaw.  You make as good a decision as you can based on the data you have to work with. We don't fill in whatever we need to reach our desired outcome.

Science:

Data1 + Data2 = ?

 

Other:

Data1 + ? = God


 
From: BigFatty Entered on: July 14, 2008 3:27 PM

I loved that letter!  Man, nerds should fight back more.  All you hear is shit from dumbasses.  We need more poisoned pens from the scientific community.  The more they respond like that, the more people they will win over!

"But perhaps because you did not bother even to read our paper, or perhaps because you aren’t very bright, you seem not to understand that we have the actual, living bacteria that exhibit the properties reported in our paper"

HAHAHAHA!


 
From: John Entered on: July 15, 2008 11:00 AM

RobotSpider hit the nail on the head. I hate that even with irrefutable evidence on the  table their dogmatic beliefs will always win out. I'm sooo glad science doesn't work that way, new info, change in the way we look at things. That's the wonder of it all, too bad creationists don't see it that way.

Oh, and that was a sweet science smackdown, I'd love to see more of that from the scientific community as well but they're too busy using their brains figuring shit out to bother with the dumbass mofo's of the world.


 
From: NickNick Entered on: July 18, 2008 5:00 PM

Can we start grouping Creatonists in with Flat Earthers now??

Oh, and here's a funny little pic I found on Fugly.

religion


 
From: Ross Entered on: July 18, 2008 7:21 PM

Yes!  Creationists literally believe things that are absurd as what flat earthers believe.   I say this with a totally straight face.


 
From: Bunky Entered on: July 18, 2008 10:21 PM

Are they bowing to Creeko in that poster?


 
From: Swerb Entered on: July 18, 2008 11:07 PM
NickNick said:

Can we start grouping Creatonists in with Flat Earthers now??

 

When have we not grouped them together? They're under the column titled "ignant"...


 

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