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Entered on: October 20, 2008 10:55 AM by NickNick

And the one's that might be appropriate, I've already made an ass of myself.

But why is THIS such a bad thing?

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Ross, I believe this would qualify as a Strawman, if I interpreted everything correctly.

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From: Ross Entered on: October 20, 2008 11:42 AM

This is a straw man probably according to Obama, but it would depend on who you talk to.

I think that Colin Powell summed it up pretty well when he endorsed Obama the other day, when asked if Obama was socialist (the new Rethuglican talking point), and he said that examining the tax code and asking questions about who should be paying more or less isn't socialist.  I tend to agree.  But it's a matter of degrees - there would be a point, IMO, that we'd go fully socialist if we changed things too much. 

I'm sure we've talked about this before, but I'm not ready to go the full communism version of socialism - I do not believe that everyone should make the same money, or even that equal effort should result in equal pay.  That stifles innovation and breeds laziness - a recipe for disaster, in my opinion. 

Anyway, someone at work just sent me this feel-good piece from 60 minutes, interviewing the CEO of Bank of America.  It's all very rosy-colored but makes me feel alright to work where I work at the moment.


 
From: Ross Entered on: October 20, 2008 3:07 PM

And this is one terrifying fucking bitch:

This is why our country is broken.  Whoever posted that picture last election of the United States of Jesusland, showing us breaking in two, that would be okay with me at this point.


 
From: The Bone Entered on: October 20, 2008 3:38 PM

I can now see why Nero fed the Christians to the lions. He probably got tired of dumb bitches like that.


 
From: NickNick Entered on: October 20, 2008 8:59 PM

Well, that and the fact that it kept the lions from eating him.


 
From: The Bone Entered on: October 21, 2008 5:31 AM

It's a good thing you weren't living in Rome circa 60 AD.


 
From: BigFatty Entered on: October 21, 2008 7:24 AM
Or on Godwin Street, Grand Rapids, circa 1987 AD.
 
From: NickNick Entered on: October 21, 2008 8:27 AM

I wouldn't have been thrown to the lions.  First, because I wouldn't qualify as a christian and secondly, I would have been some high society woman's man toy.  I'm a lover not a snack.


 
From: RobotSpider Entered on: October 21, 2008 3:19 PM
Ross said:

And this is one terrifying fucking bitch:

 

This is why our country is broken.  Whoever posted that picture last election of the United States of Jesusland, showing us breaking in two, that would be okay with me at this point.

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This is where the Republican party and the Christian (read: Evangelicals) movement mesh nicely; if you're not with us, you're against us.  The statement that jumped out at me (other than the obviously ignorant, white-trash, foriegner-hating statements) was "he doesn't share my beliefs".  It's not good enough to believe in someone's right to their beliefs. 

The US was created to provide religious freedom (the right to believe in something other than the King of England).  Now because Evangelicals believe they're in the majority, they want to turn the US into a theocracy.  They believe they're in the majority because if you ask 100 Americans if they believe in Jesus, more than 50 will say 'yes'.  However, if you ask Evangelicals if Lutherans are 'true-Christians', the answer is 'no'.  Catholics?  'No.'  Protestants? 'No.' 

Einstein said "God does not throw dice..."  Well, he doesn't play chess either.  If you think there is a god that controls the outcome of every person's life, you're a moron. "God will take care of us"?  Really?  Fuck you.  God gave you all the tools you need to provide for yourself, and you're throwing it down the wishing-well. 

</rant>


 
From: Radmobile Entered on: October 21, 2008 4:01 PM

"That's not the Christianity that's in the Bible."  Oh come off it woman.  Every sect of Christianity is a little bit different.  That means that all others besides yours are wrong?  What a load of arrogant b-s. 

I know that's not the point of the video but man.  People make it hard to see any appeal in the church when they're so closed-minded to any view but theirs.

I can't even fathom the notion of possibly voting against my spouse's job security based soley on what church the president does or doesn't go to.

 


 
From: Ross Entered on: October 21, 2008 8:34 PM

What scares me most is the idea that no other issues matter because as long as Zeus God is on your side, he'll take care of you.  I can't even articulate how insane that idea is.  I mean, I could see someone saying that in the dark ages.  But not in modern times.

What cracks me up about "that's not the Christianity that's in the Bible" is - aside from being a nonsensical statement - if you liberally interpret what she means, she appears to mean either God isn't anti-America, or God isn't hateful, or anti-any-country.  Well, as for the first, God didn't mention the United States so we have to remain neutral on that one.  But as for being anti-some-populace, the god of the bible is an incredible sociopath, who will perform ethnic cleansing at the drop of a hat.  So I don't know what Bible she's reading.


 
From: RobotSpider Entered on: October 22, 2008 7:24 AM

Remember that most people from the buckle of the bible-belt (which this woman is clearly a part) can't even construct a proper sentence, let alone understand the actual text of the bible.  Yeah, yeah, sweeping generalizations, get over it.  They only Christianity they 'know from the bible' has been spoon fed to them by Pastor XYZ.  What could he possible have to gain from misleading them?   (I wanted to find a screen-grab of Reverand Lovejoy pouring change into the change counter in episode 3F02, but couldn't find one.)


 
From: NickNick Entered on: October 22, 2008 8:02 AM

This might be seem hypocritical coming from me, but what a bunch of hypocritical bullshit. The scary part of this is that people seem to see this as acceptable as opposed to Islamic extremism. The only difference I see is that we have to look at this ugly pig's face.


 
From: Ross Entered on: October 22, 2008 9:17 AM

Another issue that Colin Powell brought up: even though it's a false, intended smear to label Obama as Muslim, why are we focusing on setting the record straight rather than quite righteously villifying those who regard "Muslim" as a slur? 

Now granted, I am no fan of Islam, but then again, I find it only slightly more offensive than Christianity, generally speaking.  Long ago I resigned myself to the fact that there is a religious litmus test for President in this country, but I'll be damned if I'll just play their bigoted game and go along with the notion that all Muslims are terrorists.


 
From: NickNick Entered on: October 22, 2008 9:21 AM
One argument that I've heard that supposedly supports the idea that all Muslim's are terrorists is the idea that Islam is the "True" religion and every muslim should do their part to try and convert others to their cause, and to defend any assault on Islam. Sound anything like some OTHER religion out there? Hmmm?
 
From: Ross Entered on: October 22, 2008 9:28 AM

But whether you're a terrorist or not depends on how you try to convert people.  Do you do it as missionaries (still despicable, but generally peaceful), or at the point of a gun?


 
From: The Bone Entered on: October 22, 2008 2:53 PM

Have you seen this article where Palin is quoted as saying that "God will do the right thing on election day"? Does she actually think that God will influence the voters of America or that he'll rig the voting box? Then there's the gibberish about prayer warriors. Imagine Huckabee/Palin 2012!


 
From: NickNick Entered on: October 22, 2008 3:01 PM

Man, is she going to be pissed to find out God wants abortions and gay marriage to be legal.  He also likes licorice.


 

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