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Here's one for all you Star Wars fans
Entered on: July 15, 2003 12:55 PM by Creeko
According to, on the Xbox "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic" ranks up there with Halo and Splinter Cell. After the other two Star Wars games, I hope this one isn't as much of a let down.  
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From: Ross Entered on: July 15, 2003 2:29 PM
This sounds very good. I had high hopes for this one, and it sounds like they won't fuck it up. I was disappointed to hear the the massively multiplayer Star Wars Galaxies game (PC only) hasn't been getting great reviews and had a pretty poor launch. I had been wanting to play it for many years, full well knowing that my life would end if it turned out to be good, as I'd never leave the computer. So with all the house shit going on right now, I can't afford to even try it. But this one being for Xbox means it's far less likely to be addictive and overly time consuming. Can't wait!
From: John Entered on: July 15, 2003 3:16 PM
I thought Obi-wan was pretty fun although I would not go as far as to say it was great. I've played The Clone Wars and that game is sweeter than Obi-Wan. I think the Clone Wars is a fairly good game with some sweet plot devising going on. Hopefully Knights of the old Republic will be as cool as their saying.
From: Ross Entered on: July 15, 2003 5:24 PM
Obi Wan was mediocre. The best Star Wars game ever was Tie Fighter, where you fly as imperials against the rebels.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 16, 2003 10:11 AM
'Knights' rated a 9.1 (SUPERB) from Gamespot. That's the highest review I've seen on there in a long time. It should be noted that they gave Brute Force a 7.6 (a game I think is pretty sweet) and Panzer Dragoon ORTA a 9.0 (a game none of us have liked at all).  
I've never been able to get much into RPG games myself. They seem like too much work to me. Has anyone tried Morrowind? Fuck THAT!

From: Ross Entered on: July 16, 2003 10:21 AM
I played Morrowind, and I liked it. I have played numerous RPGs in the past, and while I do find some of them fun, they do involve more time than I am usually willing to invest at this point. But for Star Wars, I can probably make an exception.  
You also have to realize that the reviews are essentially genre-based. Panzer Dragoon Oorta is "rail shooter," and they gave it a 9.0 based on that. Same with this game, it's a 9.1 for an RPG. You have to use at least that amount of objective criteria to break it down - saying a game is a flat-out 9/10 isn't as useful as couching it within a set of games comparable in style and tone.
From: Swerb Entered on: July 17, 2003 10:02 AM
Yeah, all this jibba-jabba is fine and dandy, but the question is, does anyone have Knights yet, and when can I get a copy? Get to work, fools! I just did some reading on it, and it made me jizz my boxer briefs. I'm normally not a fan of RPGs - not enough immediate gratification - but this looks like a definite exception.
From: Ross Entered on: July 17, 2003 7:10 AM
I haven't seen it online yet. I've been looking.
From: Ross Entered on: July 17, 2003 7:32 PM
Okay, I found it but so far there are few sources, meaning it will be a few days at least before I get all of it.  
Jack, I'm surprised you're even going to try it. I'm going on record right now that I am confident that you will find it to be unplayable. :)
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 17, 2003 10:53 PM
What the hell -- I'll give it a shot. I'll probably just rent it though because its so much faster; Will found it at Family Video but its rented out til Saturday. Its getting so much hype that I at least have to check it out. I doubt that I will set aside the resources required to play it though. THERE'S TOO MANY GAMES! I really want to finish Indy too (maybe I'll play it more Sunday).  
In the meantime, Saturday is gaming again. I'm gonna have 4 boxes set up. I want to try Midtown Madness 3 with 4 people -- I think it'll be a blast! Then of course it'll turn into a Halo-fest by the end of the night.  
Swerb has been invited but I haven't heard from him yet. Speaking of whom: Swerb - I heard you went to Ball's in Lowell for Pork BBQ sandwiches... but you didn't get Wacky Eyes (tm)!?!?! They're only 5 cents you cheap bastard!  

From: Swerb Entered on: July 18, 2003 11:12 PM
Yeah, I forgot about the Wacky Eyes (tm) until AFTER I ordered my ice cream for dessert. So it goes. Be sure to read next Thursday's Grand Rapids Mess for the latest scoop!
From: Ross Entered on: July 19, 2003 7:17 AM
No, Jack likes the Wacky Eyes (tm) on his Pork BBQ sandwiches.
From: BigFatty Entered on: July 19, 2003 12:47 PM
Yes, Jack places the Wacky Eyes (tm) on the pork sandwich. He then pretends the sandwich is alive and has a conversation with it. He makes the sandwich talk back of course. It is quite bizarre and unsettling. It always ends with Jack getting mad at the sandwich and him devouring it in a carnivorous rage. Jack will then walk away muttering obscenities about the stupid sandwich and cleaning the BBQ sauce from his hair.  
I think it is the Wacky Eyes (tm) that does this to him.
From: BigFatty Entered on: July 19, 2003 1:02 PM
Wacky Eyes (tm), they are watching you. They see your every move......
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 21, 2003 5:20 PM
We got KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC this past weekend. I haven't had much chance to check it out. I created a character and started the game, but didn't feel like doing so much reading... and went back to Indy Jones. I'm gonna have to beat that game first. I got past the octopus yesterday... what a bitch that thing is!  
Fatty played KNIGHTS for two hours but I'm not sure it hooked him. As I'm sure we've all heard, Fatty is the busiest man without a job around. He may not have the time to dedicate to this game.  
By the way... BONE! When you come out here, are you bringing your box? We gotta get a HALO-FEST put together! I anxiously await running you over in a warthog.
From: Ross Entered on: July 21, 2003 5:35 PM
I got it this morning, I was just going to sit down and try it out. I'll let you guys know my review when I have the necessary data.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 22, 2003 12:32 AM
Fatty would be typing in his review but he's over here playing KNIGHTS still. About 5 hours tonight (and counting). He won't do anything else. So I think he's hooked! It helps that he was able to make his character a hot chick.  
Meanwhile, Ang & I progessed some more in Indy (she's hooked on Indy now too). This game is sweet fun. I'm in China and boy are those chinamen tough little bastards!
From: Ross Entered on: July 22, 2003 7:05 AM
I played it last night as well, for a couple hours. I created my character, Drick Fardig, a scout... he's up to level 4 now I believe. The game is pretty fun! I'm not 100% hooked but I am still interested enough to keep playing. I told Roche that I forsaw that if anyone in the group would sit down and play it, it would likely be Fatty.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 22, 2003 9:22 AM
Drick Fardig? Oh my gosh that's freakin' hilarious! It actually sounds like a Lucas name!  
Fatty is into it good. Last night he was mumbling proudly about being a level 5 something or other and getting ready to go to jedi school or some crap. Fatty has schoolwork to attend to today, but I know he yearns to play...
From: John Entered on: July 22, 2003 10:43 PM
I finished the Hulk today and I'm ready for a new game. Knights is sounding pretty good right about now.
From: Swerb Entered on: July 22, 2003 11:44 PM
I think I speak for Roche as well when I say, can somebody get me a copy of Knights??? I know us Johns aren't as sweet as the rest of y'all, copying games and shit, so we need some assistance, if only to keep up with Jackassery discussions... :)
From: Ross Entered on: July 23, 2003 7:19 AM
You should have asked Jack this weekend. At this point, he's your closest source. If I were you, I'd go to Best Buy and buy some DVD-R's (note: NOT DVD+R's) and have Jack cut you some games. I know Best Buy has been carrying less and less DVD-R's in favor of the + variety but you still should be able to score some.  
Anyway, if you don't get one before the end of the month, I'll cut you one when I come back the weekend after next.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 23, 2003 10:34 AM
I recommend MEMOREX DVD-R 10-packs for $24.95 at Best Buy. I bought a cheaper spindle of DVD-Rs from Office Max and they were crap!  

From: Ross Entered on: July 23, 2003 10:52 AM
I bought TDKs online and haven't had a single bad one ever. I had some cheaper Princo brand in the past that fucked up on me a few times.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 23, 2003 6:59 PM
Stay away from Hypermedia. Cheap ass shit! I like the CHEAP part but am no fan of the ASS SHIT part.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 24, 2003 2:27 PM
FATTY UPDATE: I was informed today by Fatty that (despite being terribly busy, and having school paper deadlines looming) he was up til 5 AM this morning playing KNIGHTS. He is quite excited to have added a wookie to his crew. We may have to initiate an intervention when The Bone comes to town.
From: Creeko Entered on: July 25, 2003 2:53 AM
Yea, Indy's cool. I just smashed a huge head through a wall with a Nazi crane in Istanbul. I don't know why it got mediocre reviews
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 25, 2003 9:19 AM
ZILLA GAMING UPDATE: Indy is sweet! I hope they do another! I think Ang & I are near the end. We got past the part where the tank is chasing you and you have to jump and whip past holes and craters... hard as shit! Angie was the one that finally persevered and got us past it. I love the hand-to-hand combat in this game. It's great fun! I particularly like being able to grab the enemy and toss them off of railings and shit. After Indy, I'm going back to Buffy and finishing up that game.
From: Ross Entered on: July 25, 2003 11:34 AM
I don't think that's the end, but my memory for these things falters easily. Maybe you are. But yeah, I liked that game a lot too. But I agree with Roche: a lot of the appeal is the brand. Buffy is technically a better game from what I've seen (and the reviewers agree) but Buffy as a character is less interesting than Indiana Jones. And don't get me started on Lara Croft...
From: Ross Entered on: July 26, 2003 7:36 AM
Swerb: It appears that Futurama is out. Someone on one of the forums I police is requesting it. I'm on it, buddy.
From: John Entered on: July 27, 2003 1:28 PM
Indiana Jones is a sweet game and I had quite a bit of fun beating it. I liked Buffy as well but I agree with Bert, it was more fun to play as Indy.  
As of last night I know that Zilla was on the second to the last level on Indy. Get your ass in gear and beat that game Zilla!!!
From: Ross Entered on: July 27, 2003 4:14 PM
Fatty: how far are you in KOTOR? I'm almost off the planet, baby!
From: BigFatty Entered on: July 28, 2003 1:50 AM
I've taken some time off to work on my Goddamn paper. See news item. I just broke into the Sith base with my new droid! Word on the street is Fatnebria has some ties to the force. I'm not saying nothing, but, they say she might be going in front of the Jedi Council! VOODIE!!!
From: Creeko Entered on: July 28, 2003 4:40 AM
I just beat Indy this weekend. I rather enjoyed it. Granted the appeal of the game is its concept and leading character. Overall, I wouldn?t give it a very high score, but since I?m a big Indy fan it helped to keep me playing. I love the fighting too. I like that there?s not a generic fighting style throughout the game. The German thugs have a different fighting style from the Chinese and Turks.  
I haven?t really given Buffy a chance, mostly because I despise the show. I am, however, curious to give it a try because of all the hype.  
I'd also like to get my hands on KOTOR.  
So many games, so little time  

From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 28, 2003 10:24 AM
I BEAT INDY!!! The ending was kind of a let down though (Roche hyped it up... maybe just to encourage me to keep going). I think the tank chasing Indy level should have been the final challenge though -- It was the hardest. Overall, I thought the game was great! The puzzles were never too hard (that you had to cheat) and the fighting was kick ass! High marks from me!  
Now it's back to Buffy. I'm real close to the end on this one. I might have to go back a level though as my health appears to be too low to continue. (By the way, I HATE that in games. If you progress to the next level, your health should be restored).  
Vootie!!! (Fatty, please note the proper spelling)  

From: Ross Entered on: July 28, 2003 10:28 AM
Nice work, Jack. How many total games does that make it that you've managed to stick it out through for the xbox now? :)  
KOTOR is getting better and better. In fact, last night it was so ridiculous that I found myself thinking that I didn't want to move into my new place if it meant cutting into my KOTOR-playing-time. That's how much I'm loving this game.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 28, 2003 3:19 PM
Don't start with me, Rosster! Rocheman has informed me of your cheating ways! Cheatin' don't count!  
Finished on Xbox:  
1) Halo (duh)  
2) Indy  
3) 007 Nightfire  
Close to finishing:  
- Buffy  
- Burnout 2  
Wow. Is that all? Somehow I thought it was more.  
My problem with a lot of the games is that I only like the multiple-player modes. I've never touched Midtown Madness, all the fightin games, etc. in 1-player mode. But I've played them plenty with friends.
From: Ross Entered on: July 28, 2003 3:37 PM
I have cheated mostly only in games where you have to fight a boss repeatedly to learn a trick, play flawlessly for minutes, and execute said trick multiple times. I find that to be annoying in the extreme and detracting from the overall fun of the game. So I often do bypass those portions of the game. However, I do not enable cheats for the majority of any game. I basically only enable cheats in lieu of putting the game on the shelf and never playing it again.  
That said, I cheated slightly on Splinter Cell as well. One very small portion of the game was using infrared goggles to view numbers pressed on a keypad, over and over. So I looked those codes up online. But that was the only cheat I did in that (extremely difficult) game.  
Games I have completed (from memory):  
Enclave (no cheats - I cheated after I won though)  
Halo (no cheats)  
Hulk (cheats for 2 bosses)  
Indiana Jones (no cheats)  
Jedi Outcast (no cheats)  
Jedi Starfighter (no cheats)  
Spider-Man (no cheats)  
Splinter Cell (minor cheats mentioned above)  
Actually, now that I list them and look at my games list, there are a lot more games that I've played significant amounts of and given up on (Wolverine, Buffy, Matrix, Hitman 2, Medal of Honor, Two Towers, Red Faction 2, Serious Sam, Timesplitters). So maybe I should keep my mouth shut.  
I almost won Medal of Honor: Frontline, but it bored the shit out of me and got hard and not fun, so I gave up. I should have cheated on that one but like I said, I don't really care anymore.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: July 28, 2003 3:54 PM
That seems to be a major problem with me as well. I get to a part of a game that's too difficult and just isn't fun anymore. Fatty and I have gotten VERY far on Medal of Honor (on PS2) but finally kinda stopped playing. It's no fun playing carefully for 30 minutes and then getting sniped dead and having to start over.  
There were several games on PS2 that I completed. Perhaps paying $50 for a game, one at a time, makes you feel more obligated in putting in your time and finishing a game. On my xbox, when I get stuck in a part too long, I'm like... "FUCK IT! I'll play this instead!"  
Ross -- Have you tried the latest xbox MAME? Called MAMEoX? I'm getting most all of the older roms to work now. I enjoy a lot of those older arcade games and have rediscovered some I had forgotten about. Paint Roller (aka Crush Roller) is one (kinda've a Pac-Manish game where you paint the floor instead of eating dots). Crazy Climber cracks my ass up too. I even got Berzerk and Gorf with the voices working! Fun stuff. It takes time going through the hundreds of ROMS I have and deleting non-working ones and replacing bad ones but it's worth it!
From: Ross Entered on: July 28, 2003 4:43 PM
I didn't know about MAMEoX. There are lots of ROMs that don't work for me that I would want to play so I will check it out for sure.
From: John Entered on: September 17, 2003 4:01 PM
I've beat quite a few Xbox games. The list goes something like this....  
1) Buffy  
2) Indy  
3) Halo  
4) Max Payne  
5) Hulk  
6) Obi-Wan  
7) Blood Omen 2  
8) Dark Angel  
Hmm... that's about it. Somehow I thought there were more. I better get to work.
From: Ross Entered on: August 5, 2003 7:02 AM
I'm still super-addicted to KOTOR. I am afraid I'm beating it too fast, as I've conquered at least 40% of the main meat of the game (excluding the opening portions before you leave the planet and whatever finale portions there are).
From: Jackzilla Entered on: August 5, 2003 5:06 PM
Ok. I finally sat down and played KOTOR a little last night. It is kinda fun. I've never really played an RPG before but had to try it (by the way, EB's GMR mag gave it a 10/10 and said it was better than FFX). I played it for just 1-1/2 hours (Fatty played for 6 hours last night!).

Chaka N'aw is at Level 3 and already making a name for herself! I think I may play nice for awhile but then go all out evil when she becomes a full-fledged jedi!

From: Ross Entered on: August 5, 2003 5:48 PM
Don't worry Zilla - the payoffs of the game only become apparent after several hours of play. But at the point I'm at - it's addiction city! I admit that it was a bit slow at first, but most games like this are. Give it a bit of time to prove itself - 50 million Elivs fans can't be wrong.
From: Creeko Entered on: August 6, 2003 2:22 AM
My KOTOR's gonna take more than a week to download. I'm anxiously awaiting the day. I feel that I have the power of the Jedi lying dormant inside me just waiting to be unleashed. I hope it lives up to the hype!
From: John Entered on: August 6, 2003 2:51 PM
I think I'll buy a 5 pack of discs just so I can get KOTOR. I want to join in on all the fun. This game sounds sweet in a different way than the games I've played. My inner Jedi needs to be released as well, or is it Sith, we shall soon see.
From: Ross Entered on: August 8, 2003 7:42 AM
For those playing KOTOR, you will find this funny:

From: John Entered on: August 8, 2003 4:51 PM
Zilla just burned me a KOTOR disc last night. I plan on giving it a whirl this evening, I can't wait!!!
From: Creeko Entered on: August 25, 2003 10:46 AM
I finally got KoTOR. I played about 10 minutes to see what all the hype was about. It looks pretty cool, however, I want to finish Metal Gear Solid 2 before jumping into such a large and forboding game.  
Has Fatty become a Jedi Master yet? Last I heard he was kicking the shit out of some Droids.
From: Ross Entered on: August 25, 2003 10:58 AM
I talked to Fatty yesterday and apparently, he's stuck. He's at the end but he doesn't know what to do now. I'm 80%+ of the way through, I have one more planet to beat and then I'll be where Fatty is. Hopefully I can get there and prevail where Fatina has faltered. Then again, I could just look online for a walkthrough and say I figured it out by myself... :)
From: Jackzilla Entered on: August 25, 2003 2:23 PM
Fuck KOTOR! I'm playing ODDWORLD: MUNCH'S ODYSSEY and it's SWEET! I don't know how I missed out on this game for so long. Zany graphics, original gameplay (platform puzzle game... reminds me of the truly SUPERB and under-rated ICO on the PS2 in gameplay) and it has a truly demented sense of humor. I love having all these odd characters following my character around. Plus, I can make my guy fart to the laughing delight of his on-screen friends.
From: Ross Entered on: August 25, 2003 2:28 PM
I predicted that you could not handle KOTOR, and I am correct, as always.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: August 25, 2003 2:48 PM
Ross - If by "could not handle" KOTOR you mean "bores the shit out of" you are correct, sir! No surprise I guess. My favorite parts of games are the "action" elements, of which KOTOR has none. I know Rochesaurus is behind me on this one: we'll take the hands-on fighting of Buffy or Indy over the "HIT A TO ATTACK" of KOTOR. I don't think KOTOR is a bad game, it's just not my style (and I think it's a bit over-rated -- why does everywhere have to look like hallways in this game?).  

From: Ross Entered on: August 25, 2003 3:25 PM
They don't all look like hallways. You just didn't play the game long enough to find out otherwise. No big deal - I was certain that you wouldn't much care for a game that was more story-driven than action driven. (For proof, look above in this thread:
But I was hoping Roche would stick it out long enough to discover that the story is compelling, as it's easily the caliber of a well-done film (better than the current crop of Star Wars movies, at any rate). Anyway, I guess if you're too boxed-in to a certain style of play, even sweet games like KOTOR and Splinter Cell can't pull you away from comparatively lackluster titles like Buffy and Indy.  
(which are good games, while KOTOR and SC are GREAT games)
From: Jackzilla Entered on: August 25, 2003 4:04 PM
Viva la lackluster!
From: John Entered on: August 25, 2003 9:30 PM
I have not had time to play any games lately. I only played KOTOR for one session, not enough to get into it. At any rate, I'll reserve judgement until I get more hours under my belt.
From: BigFatty Entered on: August 27, 2003 2:46 PM
I've just completed KOTOR! I figured out a work around on the place I was stuck. Had to go back a couple of saves and redo things. Must have been a glitch in the game. The ending was not too hard - pretty much a couple of puzzles within some fights. I won't give anything away. I was tempted to start up another game and go to the darkside. I hear it is a much shorter game.
From: Ross Entered on: August 27, 2003 3:07 PM
I am definitely going to play it again being the biggest asshole possible. In fact, I'm seriously considering living my real life that way as well. What? Shut the fuck up!
From: Jackzilla Entered on: August 27, 2003 3:48 PM
Ross - What, you mean you HAVEN'T been?  
BWA-HA! HA! HA! HAA-- *ack*
From: Ross Entered on: August 27, 2003 3:54 PM
That's right, asshole.  
Next time make a less obvious joke.  
(The "new" me is SWEET)
From: BigFatty Entered on: August 27, 2003 4:59 PM
The "new" Ross does not go well with his little head. The Jack cackle matches perfectly with his. You may need a new head to match your new persona.
From: Ross Entered on: August 27, 2003 5:08 PM
Shit, you're right. Stay tuned. Asshole.
From: Jackzilla Entered on: August 27, 2003 6:47 PM
The OLD Zilla is STILL SWEET!!!  
BWA-HA! HA! HA! HAA-- *ack*
From: Ross Entered on: September 11, 2003 9:00 AM
Fatty - I'm at the end of KOTOR, and I'm getting my ass whupped by Malak. Any tips? I only fought him twice last night before I went to bed so I'm not at the end of my rope just yet, but are there any special tactics I should be aware of?
From: John Entered on: September 11, 2003 9:38 AM
Speaking for Fatty - He said he used grenades at a distance and blew his ass up.
From: BigFatty Entered on: September 11, 2003 9:48 PM
You need to use the Jedi gauntlets you got from Dantooine from the Jedi Masters. Equip these and Malak is no problem.
From: John Entered on: September 12, 2003 12:11 AM
Ah, Fatty comes to the rescue. Sorry Bert, I thought he said grenades.
From: Creeko Entered on: September 12, 2003 2:59 AM
I just finished MGS2. It took me 15 hours to complete. If you haven't played it yet it's definitely worth a try. The game itself is sweet but I didn't get into the story too much.  
Now I?m off to bigger and better things... Bring o KOTOR!  

From: Ross Entered on: September 12, 2003 7:21 AM
What gauntlets? I don't remember any Jedi gauntlets. Hmm... I will look again, though.
From: Ross Entered on: September 12, 2003 8:46 AM
Creeko - If you liked MGS2, I suggest Splinter Cell. SC is one of my favorite games for the xbox (along with Halo and KOTOR) but everyone calls it a rich man's MGS2. In fact, I might start playing it again after I beat KOTOR... though I want to start playing the new Buffy.... and now that I think about it, I never beat the FIRST Buffy.... too many games, man! And I'm not even going the Zilla-route and downloading games like Finding Nemo and Baby's First Stroller Adventure and whatever else I can find. :)  

From: The Bone Entered on: September 12, 2003 11:09 AM
I've finally disciplined myself to play just one game until completion. Right now I'm almost finished with Splinter Cell which I highly recommend. Next up will be KOTOR.
From: Ross Entered on: September 12, 2003 1:32 PM
Finally someone who sees the light! I fucking love Splinter Cell, man. It's probably even slightly better than KOTOR in my opinion, just as a matter of taste (even though I love Star Wars) - but don't let that dissuade you. KOTOR is still a game of champions.
From: John Entered on: September 12, 2003 1:38 PM
I've always recognized the fact that Splinter Cell is super sweet. I always seem to let myself get sidetracked with other games and by the time I get back to it I've forgotten how to play. This is a game you have to stick to because of the steep learning curve.
From: Ross Entered on: September 12, 2003 2:45 PM
This is true. Perhaps that's one reason I like it - I dont have as much respect for a game that any schmoe can just pick up and start playing well. I'm a technical guy and I like my games to be technical too I guess.
From: John Entered on: September 12, 2003 3:33 PM
Yeah, I can see that. Problem is I made it where I'm at with a certain skill level and it can be frustrating playing while trying to figure what does what. I need to get back to this game though.
From: The Bone Entered on: September 12, 2003 5:53 PM
I had that problem as well. I played the hell out of it then got sidetracked with Enter the Matrix, Indy, and Buffy. Then I didn't play anything for months. Starting Splinter back up was a little tough a first but after a 10 minutes I was back in the swing. Which reminds me, I should finish Matrix before starting KOTOR since I'm pretty far along in that as well.
From: BigFatty Entered on: September 12, 2003 6:10 PM
I'm back to SC too. I've always thought the game was way too sweet. I'm on the oil rig and getting my ass shot off.  
Dude - you would have known if you had the gauntlets or not. There is a big production about it - A movie with the Masters telling you you'll need these to defeat Malak. Thats how I knew to defeat him. I don't know how your game would have you miss that. Oh shit - In my game Dantooine was long distroyed by now. If it is still around - you might have to jet back on the Hawk!
From: Ross Entered on: September 12, 2003 6:16 PM
Dantooine went the way of Alderaan, man. It's gone. I'm screwed. That's okay though, I read some walkthroughs online and they didn't mention the gauntlets either, so it must still be possible to beat him without them.
From: Ross Entered on: September 12, 2003 7:35 PM
Okay, I finally found a way. Roche/Bone/Swerb/Creeko, don't read on unless you want a tactic spoiled for you...  
I just ran like a mofo all around. I found that if I threw my lightsaber or used "destroy droid" on those captive Jedi, it would recharge my force powers. That, plus the stalling tactic of running like my ass was on fire kept my force points fairly well stocked. I kept healing myself whenever Malak would hit me with something, and then when I was far enough away, I'd throw my lightsaber at him. The nice thing about that power is that it hits 100% of the time, whereas when I tried to battle him one-on-one, I would connect only about 20% of the time. After about 4 exchanges of lightsaber throws followed by running/recharging, I wore him down and his jawless ass dropped dead.  
Long Live Drick Fardig!
From: BigFatty Entered on: September 13, 2003 12:04 AM
More KOTOR spoilers....  
I didn't have the gauntlets either. I saw that Malak was using the captive Jedi for his power, so I ran and distroyed all the machines. I only had enough for a few throw-lightsaber throws, but I had used a few sticky gernades to keep him put. After, my force power ran out, I kept at him with the stickies then it took 5 thermal detonaders. Sounds like you had an easier time. Glad you did not have to go back to Dantooine ;)
From: Creeko Entered on: September 13, 2003 4:53 AM
I beat Splinter Cell a long time ago. Twice actually once on the PS2 and again on Xbox. You guys gotta catch up. I too try to play one game at a time. But I keep playing Tiger Woods Golf for a quick video game fix, I bet Tony would like it. Will and I played it a-lot when he was here in Spain. (by the way, anyone know where the save game files are stored so I can send Will his saved game data?)
From: Jackzilla Entered on: September 13, 2003 9:50 AM
(by the way, anyone know where the save game files are stored so I can send Will his saved game data?)

Xbox Game Save Manager runs on your PC and can transfer gamesaves back and forth between the PC and xbox. They also have a bunch of saved games stored on the site.

From: Ross Entered on: September 13, 2003 10:03 AM
So were you making up the thing about the Jedi Gauntlets? Nice. :)
From: Ross Entered on: December 6, 2004 12:21 PM
Anyone got their hands on KOTOR 2 yet? I should have it soon - though apparently only Fatty and I are sweet enough to recognize the true power of the KOTOR series.
From: Swerb Entered on: December 7, 2004 2:56 PM
Speaking of Star Wars games, I know somebody who played Star Wars Galaxies for so long and had such a kickass character, he sold the character on eBay for $1500. How insane is that?
From: Ross Entered on: December 7, 2004 5:36 PM
He is definitely a master of assal horizontology, I'll tell you that much.
From: Creeko Entered on: December 8, 2004 9:11 AM
KOTOR was not a bad game but the only real skill requiered to play is the ability to push the 'A' button to skip through the whole thing. I bet ya one of those bobbing chicken heads could make it through the game in less yime time.
From: Ross Entered on: December 8, 2004 9:20 AM
Ummm, whatever you say Creeko.
From: BigFatty Entered on: December 8, 2004 9:37 AM
You see, KOTOR is one of those games where you get out what you want. You could see it as a crappy, simple game, with no real skill needed to fight. If that is the case, you won't enjoy it. But, if you let yourself get into it - let yourself become a Jedi - then it becomes a lot more fun. Its the story that is cool with the game. Ross and I got into the story. We lost ourselves a bit. If I remember right, I was procrastinating writing my epic paper on economic comparisons between France and Spain. KOTOR was a much needed substitute. Shit maybe I am wrong about the paper, but it was a distraction from something!
From: BigFatty Entered on: December 8, 2004 9:50 AM
Yep - I did a check on JA (which is becoming quite the sweet resourse!) and I did indeed procrastinate with KOTOR. Wheras, Ross did indeed masterbate to KOTOR.  
I did find this quote from myself on my Econ paper.  
'That?s the last goddamn paper I will ever do. '  
Ummm, then why am I starting a 60 page bore-fest next month???
From: Ross Entered on: December 8, 2004 10:36 AM
I just started playing KOTOR 2 last night in fact. Seems like more of the same, which is to say "sweet!" But being that it's still early and I don't have a lightsaber yet (and I'm running around in my underwear), I'm not quite the badass I was in the first game. But I'm glad to be back - I even put Prince of Persia 2 on hold in favor of this one.
From: Ross Entered on: December 8, 2004 10:37 AM
At least you can make the claim that the story in KOTOR predates history and not be all that far off!
From: Creeko Entered on: December 9, 2004 5:50 AM
Don't get me wrong, Ross. I enjoyed playing KOTOR quite a bit, it has a cool story and allows you to make moral decisions and wield light-sabers and other cool crap. I was as dark as dark could get. I just came to the realization after playing countless hours that the story eventually reaches an end regardless of the amount of thought you put into it. If KOTOR II isn?t significantly different and sweeter from the first, I think it would be like déjà vu and it?s the type of game that would take up far to much of my precious gaming time with all the new and long awaited games coming out.
From: Ross Entered on: December 9, 2004 7:09 AM
As far as dialogue is concerned, you can choose *almost* any path and still win, that's true (there are some cases like the court case where you could kill yourself though). Your choice of dialogue's main influence is in your dark/light side points which influence your force powers, thus making combat easier or more difficult. Furthermore, the main challenge in the game is combat and puzzle solving. So I think you're being a little misleading here.
From: Creeko Entered on: December 9, 2004 9:03 AM
It's a game that you can get out of it what you put into it. If you want to spend hours maximising your stats, playing pazaak or choosing between the light or dark side of the force, you can. or you can just mash the A button a million times and eventually get through the game.  
The first one was SWEET, but I think the second edition is only for people who had Star Wars sheets on their bed when they were kids (or perhaps in Bert's case still dose):)
From: Jackzilla Entered on: December 9, 2004 9:11 AM
Preach it, Creeko!
From: Ross Entered on: December 9, 2004 9:28 AM
Obviously you *can't* just mash the A button and win. That was my point - and that's the part about you being misleading. Can you mash through dialogue - yes (almost), through combat and puzzles - no.  
And some people actually LIKE the ability to influence the story based on their actions. Think about it.  
And by the way, I did have Star Wars sheets as a kid, and if Heather would let me I still would. So there!
From: Jackzilla Entered on: December 17, 2004 8:09 AM
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas heads to Xbox  
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Video game hit "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" is coming to the Xbox and personal computer platforms next June, publisher Take-Two Interactive Software Inc. said on Thursday. San Andreas, initially released for Sony Corp's PlayStation 2 console in October, is estimated to have sold more than 5 million units. It will be released for Microsoft Corp's Xbox platform and PCs on June 7, 2005, in North America and June 10 in Europe.

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